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billvon 3,132
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>They can run their caucuses by their own rules.
Asking for voter ID in a primary would not help guarantee a GOP win by discouraging voter turnout - so no reason for them to do it.
Now, in a _general_ election . . . .
Asking for voter ID in a primary would not help guarantee a GOP win by discouraging voter turnout - so no reason for them to do it.
Now, in a _general_ election . . . .
mnealtx 0
QuoteThey can run their caucuses by their own rules. If they really wanted to that is...
Sure - but the law being pushed was concerning primary voting, not caucuses. For that, party registration is all the ID needed.
Jclalor and his Huff'n'Puff blogger are (unsuccessfully) trying to conflate the two.
Mike
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mnealtx 0
Quote>They can run their caucuses by their own rules.
Asking for voter ID in a primary would not help guarantee a GOP win by discouraging voter turnout - so no reason for them to do it.
Now, in a _general_ election . . . .
In a general election, it's somehow a burden for the same people that need ID to get a job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Mike
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QuoteQuote>They can run their caucuses by their own rules.
Asking for voter ID in a primary would not help guarantee a GOP win by discouraging voter turnout - so no reason for them to do it.
Now, in a _general_ election . . . .
In a general election, it's somehow a burden for the same people that need ID to get a job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Do you need I.D. to cash government checks?
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuote>They can run their caucuses by their own rules.
Asking for voter ID in a primary would not help guarantee a GOP win by discouraging voter turnout - so no reason for them to do it.
Now, in a _general_ election . . . .
In a general election, it's somehow a burden for the same people that need ID to get a job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Do you need I.D. to cash government checks?
I had to show ID to cash my refund check from the IRS, so I would say "yes".
Mike
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billvon 3,132
>In a general election, it's somehow a burden for the same people that need ID to get a
>job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Apparently it's only a burden for Republican primary voters.
"Do as I say, not as I do."
>job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Apparently it's only a burden for Republican primary voters.
"Do as I say, not as I do."
mnealtx 0
Quote>In a general election, it's somehow a burden for the same people that need ID to get a
>job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Apparently it's only a burden for Republican primary voters.
No, not really:
"But despite being able to set all of the rules for the caucus, Iowa Republicans only request voters present a photo ID during registration. If a photo ID is not available, a registrant may sign an oath, along with one attester, to prove their identity."
Nice try.
Quote"Do as I say, not as I do."
Requiring photo id or witnessed oath to register, then using the registration as a form of ID. Looks like they're walking their talk more than the Dems are.
Mike
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Do you need I.D. to cash government checks?
Do you need I.D. to cash government checks?
I must live a sheltered life. If you know of a place where I can cash checks without ID, let me know. I do know how to spell your name correctly.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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GeorgiaDon 385
Mike,QuoteQuote>In a general election, it's somehow a burden for the same people that need ID to get a
>job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Apparently it's only a burden for Republican primary voters.
No, not really:
"But despite being able to set all of the rules for the caucus, Iowa Republicans only request voters present a photo ID during registration. If a photo ID is not available, a registrant may sign an oath, along with one attester, to prove their identity."
Nice try.Quote"Do as I say, not as I do."
Requiring photo id or witnessed oath to register, then using the registration as a form of ID. Looks like they're walking their talk more than the Dems are.
I had to present a photo ID and proof of citizenship in order to register to vote (step 1). When I do go to vote, first I have to prove I am registered, by being listed on the voter roll (step 2). Then I have to prove I am who I say I am by presenting a photo ID (step 3).
If we are going to try to fairly compare apples to apples, it seems to me that the process for voting in the Iowa Republican caucus involves steps 1 and 2, but not 3. The proposed legislation would have added step 3 to vote in the general election (as has been done here in Georgia). How can this be construed, other than to conclude that the Iowa Republican party wishes to impose a barrier to voting in the general election that they don't impose on themselves in the caucus? And, what possible reason could there be for this difference, other than to impose a burden that they feel will differentially affect Democrats?
Don
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mnealtx 0
QuoteAnd, what possible reason could there be for this difference, other than to impose a burden that they feel will differentially affect Democrats?
Don
That's the ONLY reason, huh? It couldn't be the possibility of people voting who don't live in the district, people voting who aren't US citizens or keeping people from voting more than once?
Maybe you should take a step back and look at your ideology...seriously.
Mike
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POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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GeorgiaDon 385
I had to prove citizenship and place of residence when I registered to vote. When it comes time to actually vote, if I'm not registered I don't get to vote. Nobody checks my citizenship at the voting station, I've never been asked to show a passport or birth certificate or naturalization documents as that was done in order to get registered in the first place. Once I have been given my ballot, my name is crossed off the list and I can't get another ballot, and neither can anyone else using my name/address. There could be some merit to the idea of proving you still live in the district in which you registered to vote, although if you have moved between registering and the election and you intended to vote in both your old and your new district it would be easy to hang onto your old photo ID. Anyway, all your "reasons" apply equally well (or badly) to voting in the caucus, yet Iowa Republicans apparently do not feel the need to "double check" eligibility or residency at the caucus. Again there appears to be a double standard at play.QuoteQuoteAnd, what possible reason could there be for this difference, other than to impose a burden that they feel will differentially affect Democrats?
Don
That's the ONLY reason, huh? It couldn't be the possibility of people voting who don't live in the district, people voting who aren't US citizens or keeping people from voting more than once?
Personally I don't object to the need for some proof of ID at the polls, and never indicated that I did. I don't have an ideological axe to grind here, I'd see the same double standard if it were Democrats trying to legislate different rules for the general election than what they apply to themselves.QuoteMaybe you should take a step back and look at your ideology...seriously.
On the other hand I asked a straightforward question and got the same old partisan crap answer, followed by the mandatory patronizing insult. Unfortunately SOP from you. I'd suggest you take a step back and look at your own ideology, but I suspect you're so entrenched in your one-sided view of the world that stimulus/response is all you've got left. Sad.
Don
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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)
Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnd, what possible reason could there be for this difference, other than to impose a burden that they feel will differentially affect Democrats?
Don
That's the ONLY reason, huh? It couldn't be the possibility of people voting who don't live in the district, people voting who aren't US citizens or keeping people from voting more than once?
I had to prove citizenship and place of residence when I registered to vote. When it comes time to actually vote, if I'm not registered I don't get to vote. Nobody checks my citizenship at the voting station, I've never been asked to show a passport or birth certificate or naturalization documents as that was done in order to get registered in the first place.
I had to show my birth certificate as proof to get my driver's license, which was then used to register to vote.
QuoteOnce I have been given my ballot, my name is crossed off the list and I can't get another ballot, and neither can anyone else using my name/address.
And without the proof of identity, Joe Schmuck could go to the polls and vote in your stead...then what do YOU do when you show up 2 hours later?
QuoteThere could be some merit to the idea of proving you still live in the district in which you registered to vote, although if you have moved between registering and the election and you intended to vote in both your old and your new district it would be easy to hang onto your old photo ID.
And when the vote records are checked and you show as having voted in both locations, what do you think will happen?
QuoteAnyway, all your "reasons" apply equally well (or badly) to voting in the caucus, yet Iowa Republicans apparently do not feel the need to "double check" eligibility or residency at the caucus. Again there appears to be a double standard at play.
They checked ID to register, then checked registration at the caucus. I mention yet *again* that that proposed law was for primary elections.
QuoteQuoteMaybe you should take a step back and look at your ideology...seriously.
Personally I don't object to the need for some proof of ID at the polls, and never indicated that I did. I don't have an ideological axe to grind here, I'd see the same double standard if it were Democrats trying to legislate different rules for the general election than what they apply to themselves.
And yet, the *ONLY* reason you could come up with for the proposed law was that it would differentially affect Democrats?
QuoteOn the other hand I asked a straightforward question and got the same old partisan crap answer, followed by the mandatory patronizing insult.
Various examples of possible voting fraud is "partisan crap"? Thanks for further proving my point about you being blinded by ideology.
QuoteUnfortunately SOP from you.
Beam. Eye. Get a mirror.
QuoteI'd suggest you take a step back and look at your own ideology, but I suspect you're so entrenched in your one-sided view of the world that stimulus/response is all you've got left. Sad.
See above, re: 'only reason for law'.
Mike
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I don't know what state you guys registered to vote in but I didn't have to show any sort of ID to register in VA. I didn't have to show anything to anybody, I can just fill in a form and send it in to the registrar's office. I do have to disclose my social security number, but that is it.
Conveniently the place I work we are required to ask people periodically if they wish to vote, so I don't even have to leave my building to pick up a form.
Conveniently the place I work we are required to ask people periodically if they wish to vote, so I don't even have to leave my building to pick up a form.
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
funjumper101 15
QuoteQuoteAnd, what possible reason could there be for this difference, other than to impose a burden that they feel will differentially affect Democrats?
Don
That's the ONLY reason, huh? It couldn't be the possibility of people voting who don't live in the district, people voting who aren't US citizens or keeping people from voting more than once?
Maybe you should take a step back and look at your ideology...seriously.
More complete bullshit about voting that has no basis in reality.
Show me the FACTS as to this so-called epidemic of VOTING Fraud that the ID laws are supposed to solve. Those facts don't exist, except in the small minds of the sheeple who follow their coprorate masters blindly.
Note - Voting registration fraud is a totally seperate and distinct issue from VOTING fraud. The issues are totally different, unless, of course, you are an RWC that swallows the bullshit, hook, line, and sinker. The RWCs conflate the two as being identical and an equal threat to election integrity. These same well meaning, but badly informed people totally igonring the documented proof of the election fraud perpetrated by the computerized voting machines.
Why do RWCs hate the USA and their fellow citizens so much?
Why do they support removing rights and personal freedoms from their fellow citizens?
Why do they hate women so much that they want to have the government involved in a woman's personal and private medical decisions?
Because that is what they are told to think by their information sources. Goebbels must be very proud of the success of his ideas and techniques as applied by the corporate media.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels
billvon 3,132
>Why do RWCs hate the USA and their fellow citizens so much?
They don't - they just want to win at any cost. Demanding stiffer ID requirements will gain them some votes so they push it. If Democrats could demand a high school education as a requirement to vote they'd do that because then THEY would get a few more votes.
It's not hating anyone. It's wanting to win at any cost.
They don't - they just want to win at any cost. Demanding stiffer ID requirements will gain them some votes so they push it. If Democrats could demand a high school education as a requirement to vote they'd do that because then THEY would get a few more votes.
It's not hating anyone. It's wanting to win at any cost.
funjumper101 15
QuoteQuoteQuote>They can run their caucuses by their own rules.
Asking for voter ID in a primary would not help guarantee a GOP win by discouraging voter turnout - so no reason for them to do it.
Now, in a _general_ election . . . .
In a general election, it's somehow a burden for the same people that need ID to get a job, cash checks, get utilities, etc etc etc to have a form of ID to vote?
Do you need I.D. to cash government checks?
No ID is required to deposit checks into your own bank account.
In small communities where you are well known to the people who run the business where you are cashing the check, no ID is needed.
So much for that pathetic argument.
The actual outcome of voter ID laws is to prevent certain kinds of people from voting. That would be poor people, inner city people, and old people. Those folks would be voting overwhelmingly for Democrats, so it is in the best interest of the rich people who run the GOP to do everything they can to prevent them from voting. The sheeple RWCs buy the bullshit from their corportate masters and parrot the talking points.
Once again, why to RWCs hate the USA and their fellow citizens so much?
Isn't the correct position in a democracy to try to get everyone who is eligible to vote to actually do it? How can passing laws to suppress voting rights be construed to be a positive outcome for democray?
mnealtx 0
Quote
Maybe you should take a step back and look at your ideology...seriously.
More complete bullshit about voting that has no basis in reality.
Another funjumper post that has no basis in reality.
QuoteShow me the FACTS as to this so-called epidemic of VOTING Fraud that the ID laws are supposed to solve. Those facts don't exist, except in the small minds of the sheeple who follow their coprorate masters blindly.
They exist and are disregarded in the small minds of the sheeply who follow their ideological masters blindly.
QuoteNote - Voting registration fraud is a totally seperate and distinct issue from VOTING fraud.
Yup....and ACORN (you know, the favorite registration arm of the DNC)has been busted several times for it.
QuoteThe issues are totally different, unless, of course, you are an RWC that swallows the bullshit, hook, line, and sinker.
So, how does the person vote illegally if they're not registered illegally, skippy?
QuoteThe RWCs conflate the two as being identical and an equal threat to election integrity.
The LWI's always bring up whichever one isn't mentioned in an attempt to distract.
QuoteThese same well meaning, but badly informed people totally igonring the documented proof of the election fraud perpetrated by the computerized voting machines.
Seems like the DOJ (including Obama's) is ignoring it too...must not be the proof you think it is.
QuoteWhy do they support removing rights and personal freedoms from their fellow citizens?
Why is it that those fellow citizens have to show ID to get a job, to cash a check, to get utilities turned on, to rent a movie, to buy alcohol, but asking them to bring that ID to the voting booth is 'removing rights and personal freedoms'?
QuoteWhy do they hate women so much that they want to have the government involved in a woman's personal and private medical decisions?
Why are you bringing up Obamacare in a thread about voting, and why are you attributing it to the Reps?
QuoteBecause that is what they are told to think by their information sources. Goebbels must be very proud of the success of his ideas and techniques as applied by the corporate media.
Looks like he'd be much prouder of you, given your spouting of Soros talking points.
Quote
Yup, that's Soros' hero!
Mike
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mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteDo you need I.D. to cash government checks?
No ID is required to deposit checks into your own bank account.
Try opening an account without one or trying it at a check-cashing place.
QuoteSo much for that pathetic argument.
Yeah, you didn't exactly cover yourself in glory with that one.
Mike
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POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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