quade 4 #1 December 29, 2011 http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/28/gingrich-campaign-workers-signature-fraud-cost-slot-on-virginia-ballot/ Like I said, happens to everyone. I had predicted this outcome the second I saw his campaign offering up a bounty for gathering signatures. Not for Newt's sake, but there needs to be a better way of just getting on the ballot that doesn't incentivize the worst in people.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #2 December 29, 2011 Gee.. where have I heard something similar to this before....... Aha, I got it...sort of reminds me of someone obtaining false signatures for Obama. http://www.southbendtribune.com/sbt-fake-signatures-may-mean-obama-didnt-actually-qualify-in-indiana-20111013,0,181597.story yeah, now I remember. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #3 December 29, 2011 Happens to every one of the national candidates if you look deep enough. The key is getting so many signatures the fraudulent ones don't matter.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #4 December 29, 2011 NBC said, in a paraphrase of their interview with him, it was a staff "clerical error". Strange how they each see this differently. Funny, to me, that the campaign then calls the system flawed, cause they got caught but the other two front runners made it on. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #5 December 29, 2011 QuoteHappens to every one of the national candidates if you look deep enough. The key is getting so many signatures the fraudulent ones don't matter. Exactly. I've handled a number of election law cases over the years, enough to be quite familiar with the process. Practically every hotly-contested election, at every level (right down to dog-catcher), involves candidates' challenging the signatures on each other's nominating petitions. The key is to get about double the minimum number of sigs you need, so that when some inevitably get stricken on challenge (and some always do), you're still left with enough valid ones to stay on the ballot. Plus, there are a number of other administrative "I's" to dot and "T's" to cross - it's all there in black & white; you just have to be diligent - and they have to be done right; you can't screw it up, and election courts rarely give you a pass if you do. Really, it's just like any other kind of due diligence. If your organization's not up to that task, well... that's on you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #6 December 29, 2011 Virginia has some of the strictest ballot access provisions in the nation. Perry also did not make it onto the primary ballot this year."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #7 December 29, 2011 QuoteNBC said, in a paraphrase of their interview with him, it was a staff "clerical error". Strange how they each see this differently. Funny, to me, that the campaign then calls the system flawed, cause they got caught but the other two front runners made it on. Matt Yup, blame the staff first, then the system. Leadership you can count on. Didn't most of his key staff quit a little while back. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #8 December 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteNBC said, in a paraphrase of their interview with him, it was a staff "clerical error". Strange how they each see this differently. Funny, to me, that the campaign then calls the system flawed, cause they got caught but the other two front runners made it on. Matt Yup, blame the staff first, then the system. Leadership you can count on. Didn't most of his key staff quit a little while back. Could be, I dunno, I am not a Newt fan, didn't like him as the Speaker and not now as a Citizen, or Lobbiest. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #9 December 29, 2011 The first ODIF on SC! Congratulations; I think you owe beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 December 30, 2011 QuoteThe first ODIF on SC! Congratulations; I think you owe beer. Wrong. XDIF only applies if you are comparing one President to another. Former Speaker of the House doesn't count. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #11 December 30, 2011 >Wrong. XDIF only applies if you are comparing one President to another. Former >Speaker of the House doesn't count. Ah, I was unaware of the subtleties of the XDIF. And to think so many people here were doing it wrong . . . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 December 30, 2011 Quote >Wrong. XDIF only applies if you are comparing one President to another. Former >Speaker of the House doesn't count. Ah, I was unaware of the subtleties of the XDIF. And to think so many people here were doing it wrong . . . Well, that's what I'm here for. Let me know if you need more help with these kinds of issues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #13 December 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe first ODIF on SC! Congratulations; I think you owe beer. Wrong. XDIF only applies if you are comparing one President to another. Former Speaker of the House doesn't count. so is this a prediction that Newt will not in fact be winning next year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #14 December 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe first ODIF on SC! Congratulations; I think you owe beer. Wrong. XDIF only applies if you are comparing one President to another. Former Speaker of the House doesn't count. so is this a prediction that Newt will not in fact be winning next year? Bwahahah. The ONLY way Gingrich gets to run at all is on the Americas Elect ticket and there is not 1 chance in hell whoever ends up on that is wining against Obama. At best it's a spoiler for the Republicans.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 December 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe first ODIF on SC! Congratulations; I think you owe beer. Wrong. XDIF only applies if you are comparing one President to another. Former Speaker of the House doesn't count. so is this a prediction that Newt will not in fact be winning next year? This question should be for Billvon since he is the one who made the comparison. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 December 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe first ODIF on SC! Congratulations; I think you owe beer. Wrong. XDIF only applies if you are comparing one President to another. Former Speaker of the House doesn't count. so is this a prediction that Newt will not in fact be winning next year? This question should be for Billvon since he is the one who made the comparison. sorry, no, it was you that declared him a former Speaker of the House, not a Presidential candidate who will go on to the White House like Obama. If we accepted your arbitrary restrictions on when XDIF can be used, then it's Bill who presupposed a victory, and you who guaranteed a loss. My ruling on this matter is final. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #17 December 30, 2011 >This question should be for Billvon since he is the one who made the comparison. OK. Then my ruling is - yes, Gravitymaster did indeed predict that Newt has no chance to become President. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 December 31, 2011 Quote>This question should be for Billvon since he is the one who made the comparison. OK. Then my ruling is - yes, Gravitymaster did indeed predict that Newt has no chance to become President. OK, be a radical. As long as you are willing to accept the long term consequences of going against tradition. You know you are really putting yourself out there on this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #19 December 31, 2011 QuoteQuote>This question should be for Billvon since he is the one who made the comparison. OK. Then my ruling is - yes, Gravitymaster did indeed predict that Newt has no chance to become President. OK, be a radical. As long as you are willing to accept the long term consequences of going against tradition. You know you are really putting yourself out there on this one. What are you talking about?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #20 December 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>This question should be for Billvon since he is the one who made the comparison. OK. Then my ruling is - yes, Gravitymaster did indeed predict that Newt has no chance to become President. OK, be a radical. As long as you are willing to accept the long term consequences of going against tradition. You know you are really putting yourself out there on this one. What are you talking about? I'm sure you wouldn't understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
