Octomom is broke

[shah269 0]

The desire to have children is a drive that we men just will never truly understand. I know I don’t since I've decided that having kids is just for me.
I've seen many many many SMRAT women forgo their education, careers and families to either have kids or have more kids.

I've seen women working riding a free scholarship in medical school stop, pull back and find a dick to have a kid with. And I'm not saying dick to be mean I'm saying they found a man any man to have kids with. And a good portion of the time the guy wasn't the best pick she could have made.

I've seen women reverse mortgage their home and nearly bankrupt the entire family just to have one more fertility treatment to have one more kid or just to have that one kid.

In this economy I've seen women walk away from $150k jobs because they had to have kids today.

I've see women leave their husbands for a man of lower income and physical fortitude because their first husband thought that one or two kids were enough and she wanted to have another.

Now I'm not making excuses for this person and I'm sure she is suffering from some very interesting mental disorder to have so many kids for no apparent reason. Yet what I am saying is that we men will never truly understand a woman's drive to reproduce.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[Amazon 7]

Quote

It's like that here in West Texas, too. Girls with guns, hunting is flat, cool! The ranchers here don't have a passle of kids just for attention and what all those kids will bring to the 'family' in the line of cash from sympathisers. Ranch kids here have chores before and after school and we look-out for one another. You're absolutely correct. The attitude in this country has changed. That attitude is now, 'It's all about ME!'


Chuck

I turned out to be the most successful hunter in the family.
I guess it was the desire to learn to be a better shot than anyone else in our rather large extended family... and the patience to spend the time in the field needed to KNOW what animals were in a given area and where you could expect them at different times of the day and year.

Chores are great for bringing up a child to understand what "earning your keep" is and teaching them responsibility. The work before play idea seems to have been lost on a whole generation.

[masterrig 1]

You can still be a girl, too! Plus, you've served our country! Thank you, for that!
The idea that my wife carried a .357 and damned good with it, was really, an attraction, before we got married. I was raised-up with the idea of chores before play. It's all part of being a 'family'. It teaches responsibility and sometimes, thinking on your feet.


Chuck

[tigra 0]

No reason to shoot either of them. She and her 14 kids should move in with the doctor who implanted all those embryos in her uterus - I believe the same doctor was responsible for all her pregnancies. He is no different from any other dead beat dad out there - he should accept responsibilty for his actions.

[billvon 3,111]

>He is no different from any other dead beat dad out there - he should accept
>responsibilty for his actions.

If you went to the doctor for help having a child, would you really want him to tell you "you're a skydiver, and thus not responsible enough to have kids?"

Doctors should be good medical advocates for their patients. They should not decide who is deserving of children and who isn't.

[masterrig 1]

Quote

No reason to shoot either of them. She and her 14 kids should move in with the doctor who implanted all those embryos in her uterus - I believe the same doctor was responsible for all her pregnancies. He is no different from any other dead beat dad out there - he should accept responsibilty for his actions.

Accept responsibility for his actions? That is so passe'!


Chuck

[masterrig 1]

Quote

>He is no different from any other dead beat dad out there - he should accept
>responsibilty for his actions.

If you went to the doctor with your wife for help having a child, would you really want him to tell you "you're a skydiver, and thus not responsible enough to have kids?"

Doctors should be good medical advocates for their patients. They should not decide who is deserving of children and who isn't.

As a 'good medical advocate', wouldn't that doctor have some idea of his patients background and in knowing this woman could not properly take care of and support all those children, just 'pass' on the procedure?


Chuck

[billvon 3,111]

>As a 'good medical advocate', wouldn't that doctor have some idea of his patients
>background and in knowing this woman could not properly take care of and support all
>those children, just 'pass' on the procedure?

But again - would you want your doctor saying that to you? "Sir, you are a skydiver, and I'm not going to help someone have children who will die skydiving and leave his children fatherless and unsupported."

[Andy9o8 2]

Quote

>He is no different from any other dead beat dad out there - he should accept
>responsibilty for his actions.

If you went to the doctor with your wife for help having a child, would you really want him to tell you "you're a skydiver, and thus not responsible enough to have kids?"

Doctors should be good medical advocates for their patients. They should not decide who is deserving of children and who isn't.

But doctors also are responsible for the predictable results of their actions; and, laws and regulations aside, they should be guided by standards of ethics. A doctor who performs certain procedures that are strictly elective - for example, facial or body cosmetic surgery, or fertility procedures, etc., is not required to perform the procedure on every prospective patient that walks into his office.

Doctors should treat "the whole patient"; a basic tenet of medical practice is "Do no harm"; and an elective procedure that might be helpful or effect-neutral to one patient might be harmful to another patient's overall life, when viewed from a "whole patient" perspective (including social and/or psychological factors).

So before performing the elective procedure - especially a potentially drastic or life-changing one, the prudent and ethical practitioner first does a reasonable assessment of how the procedure might affect the patient, which in part necessarily includes a social and psychological evaluation of the patient. If there's too high a potential for a detrimental effect on the patient's life, I'd argue that the doctor has at the very least an ethical responsibility not just to give the patient "informed consent" counseling, but even to take a pass on taking the patient's case.

I'd be curious whether Amy and other medical practitioners on this Forum would agree with this.
(I also invite everyone else's opinion on this, too.)

[tigra 0]

Different situation but I agree in theory that it's a slippery slope.

In this case, I believe the doctor was investigated but I don't know about the outcome. He risked her health and well being by implanting all those embryos at the same time, and the health and well being of the babies that were born as a result. Not much of a medical advocate, IMO.

[masterrig 1]

Doesn't the Hipocratic oath they take enter in here somewhere? Shouldn't he have a long talk with a patient before such a procedure and enlighten them?
To just do something like that all willy-nilly just doesn't seem right. Or was it for 'fame and fortune'?


Chuck

[mutumbo 0]

Quote

Quote

i say she and the doc should be taken out back and shot.

OK, let's take a breath, and presume you're speaking metaphorically.

She should have to live with the consequences, but not have innocent children suffer. That probably means poverty for her, and quite possibly loss or severe restriction of her parental rights (i.e., moving the children out of her home) so that the children are provided for without her reaping any financial benefit or support, even indirectly.

The doctor's conduct might not have been illegal, but he, and his license to practice, are still governed by a code of professional ethics, so he probably deserves to lose his license. Let him make a living as a hospital orderly for a few years.

but shooting them sounds much more fun!

( PS i agree with you)

Thanatos340(on landing rounds)--
Landing procedure: Hand all the way up, Feet and Knees Together and PLF soon as you get bitch slapped by a planet.

[billvon 3,111]

>He risked her health and well being by implanting all those embryos at the same time,
>and the health and well being of the babies that were born as a result.

Agreed here. Depending on who you believe he implanted between six and twelve embryos (already frozen from a previous attempt) and that's far beyond the standard of care.