grimmie 186 #51 December 22, 2011 Since when did GHWB ever give a shit about the UN? When he was VP the Hague ordered the USA to pay reparations to Nicaragua after their trial regarding funding and training the Contras. The US didn't pay a dime. That clip of him crying is nice, he didn't give a fuck about all of the innocent people being brutalized by the CIA trained rebels in Nica. At his direction. The difference between the old man and the son is, the old man was smart enough to know what he was doing. The son was too stupid to realize what everyone around him was doing. They should both be sharing a cell in Guantanamo Bay. And to think I voted for the old man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #52 December 22, 2011 QuoteI thought you were calling us that because you thought we were in favor of the Rhys theory. I guess your lame attempt at humor was lost on me, sorry. it's not humor, it's troll bait. The amazing bit is that with a budget well over half a trillion dollars, the military can't make it's own banners, has to ask the White House to do it. This is the same suspension of disbelief it takes to believe the White House wired up the Trade Towers with explosives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #53 December 22, 2011 QuoteThe amazing bit is that with a budget well over half a trillion dollars, the military can't make it's own banners, has to ask the White House to do it. Well, the facility to do it certainly isn't on board ship, and since there was a WH detachment coming for the visit anyway, why not? QuoteThis is the same suspension of disbelief it takes to believe the White House wired up the Trade Towers with explosives. Your disbelief? Yup, I agree - that's why I said to say hi to rhys.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #54 December 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote***QuoteBush 41 wanted to continue into Bagdad and take out Hussein. That's funny, that's not how George senior seems to remember it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x67138 Oh, great. A link to the left-wing idiots at DU. Here, learn something. The main reason they didn't go to Bagdad is because they were afraid the coalition would not go along since it was not part of the U.N. mandate. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA493626 If you would have even clicked on my link you would have saw a you tube video Of 41 explaining to fox news why he did not go all the way. You OTOH provide an academic paper that starts with: QuoteDisclaimer The views expressed in the academic research paper are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the US Government, the Department of Defense, or any of its agencies. I'll take 41's own words for why he did go to Baghdad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #55 December 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote***QuoteBush 41 wanted to continue into Bagdad and take out Hussein. That's funny, that's not how George senior seems to remember it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x67138 Oh, great. A link to the left-wing idiots at DU. Here, learn something. The main reason they didn't go to Bagdad is because they were afraid the coalition would not go along since it was not part of the U.N. mandate. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA493626 If you would have even clicked on my link you would have saw a you tube video Of 41 explaining to fox news why he did not go all the way. You OTOH provide an academic paper that starts with: QuoteDisclaimer The views expressed in the academic research paper are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the US Government, the Department of Defense, or any of its agencies. I'll take 41's own words for why he did go to Baghdad. I don't get your argument. Obviously they gave consideration to going into Bagdad but didn't because they knew the coalition would fall apart because the U.N. mmandate didn't allow for it. How are we in disagreement except you seem to think they never considered it. I think that would be naive to think it wasn't even considered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #56 December 23, 2011 QuoteAt his direction. You were good to go until you wrote this. That CIA action was proposed by Casey and approved by Pres Ronnie...Bush may have agreed or disagreed. It was not his decision to make. On top of that, in 1982, an amendment, which was to become known as the Boland Amendment, was added to the Intelligence Authorization Act specifically restricting the funding from going towards activities geared towards "overthrowing the Nicaraguan government". The problem with the contra affair was interpreting just what that meant. The CIA lawyers interpreted one way and the Intelligence Committee (and Congress) interpreted it another...you know how lawyers are. To Casey's credit, he did instruct compliance and had his wishes sent to the regional stations in the area Bush had nothing to do with any of that either. Additionally, Bush had little to nothing to do with paying, or not paying, reparations to anybody.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0 Go To Topic Listing
Gravitymaster 0 #55 December 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote***QuoteBush 41 wanted to continue into Bagdad and take out Hussein. That's funny, that's not how George senior seems to remember it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x67138 Oh, great. A link to the left-wing idiots at DU. Here, learn something. The main reason they didn't go to Bagdad is because they were afraid the coalition would not go along since it was not part of the U.N. mandate. http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA493626 If you would have even clicked on my link you would have saw a you tube video Of 41 explaining to fox news why he did not go all the way. You OTOH provide an academic paper that starts with: QuoteDisclaimer The views expressed in the academic research paper are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of the US Government, the Department of Defense, or any of its agencies. I'll take 41's own words for why he did go to Baghdad. I don't get your argument. Obviously they gave consideration to going into Bagdad but didn't because they knew the coalition would fall apart because the U.N. mmandate didn't allow for it. How are we in disagreement except you seem to think they never considered it. I think that would be naive to think it wasn't even considered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #56 December 23, 2011 QuoteAt his direction. You were good to go until you wrote this. That CIA action was proposed by Casey and approved by Pres Ronnie...Bush may have agreed or disagreed. It was not his decision to make. On top of that, in 1982, an amendment, which was to become known as the Boland Amendment, was added to the Intelligence Authorization Act specifically restricting the funding from going towards activities geared towards "overthrowing the Nicaraguan government". The problem with the contra affair was interpreting just what that meant. The CIA lawyers interpreted one way and the Intelligence Committee (and Congress) interpreted it another...you know how lawyers are. To Casey's credit, he did instruct compliance and had his wishes sent to the regional stations in the area Bush had nothing to do with any of that either. Additionally, Bush had little to nothing to do with paying, or not paying, reparations to anybody.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
popsjumper 2 #56 December 23, 2011 QuoteAt his direction. You were good to go until you wrote this. That CIA action was proposed by Casey and approved by Pres Ronnie...Bush may have agreed or disagreed. It was not his decision to make. On top of that, in 1982, an amendment, which was to become known as the Boland Amendment, was added to the Intelligence Authorization Act specifically restricting the funding from going towards activities geared towards "overthrowing the Nicaraguan government". The problem with the contra affair was interpreting just what that meant. The CIA lawyers interpreted one way and the Intelligence Committee (and Congress) interpreted it another...you know how lawyers are. To Casey's credit, he did instruct compliance and had his wishes sent to the regional stations in the area Bush had nothing to do with any of that either. Additionally, Bush had little to nothing to do with paying, or not paying, reparations to anybody.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
