JohnRich 4 #1 December 14, 2011 News:Bill would ban guns from gas stations "Just as thousands of Wisconsin residents are starting to use their new permits to carry concealed weapons, a Milwaukee lawmaker has proposed making gas stations off limits. Assembly Bill 406's sponsor, Rep. Josh Zepnick, (D-Milwaukee), said many station owners, employees and customers are among his constituents and have suffered ongoing violent crime at and around the businesses... "Going armed at a gas station would be a felony punishable by up to 18 months in prison..."Full story: Journal Sentinel For those who need to be told how to think (you know who you are), this is a stupid idea. A criminal who want's to commit an armed robbery, won't be deterred by a law banning guns from gas stations. Such a law would, on the other hand, result in the imprisonment of many innocent citizens who have no intention of every robbing gas stations. Furthermore, it would make it impossible for law-abiding people who legally carry guns in their cars to fill up their gas tank, without risking felony imprisonment for 18 months. This is what anti-gun folks call "common sense gun laws". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charlie5 0 #2 December 14, 2011 Perhaps Vtech should try banning guns from campus too.The feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #3 December 14, 2011 Fucking stoopid. Correct me if I'm wrong...but isn't using a gun in a felony a MAJOR ILLEGAL activity???? In Florida, it will get you 20. Criminals obviously care about the law. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #4 December 14, 2011 John, nice to see you put your own opinion with something you post. I agree that it is a stupid idea. (Even my kids are allowed to be a little petulant when they first start behaving as they were told to) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #5 December 14, 2011 Quote .... For those who need to be told how to think (you know who you are), this is a stupid idea. A criminal who want's to commit an armed robbery, won't be deterred by a law banning guns from gas stations. Such a law would, on the other hand, result in the imprisonment of many innocent citizens who have no intention of every robbing gas stations. Furthermore, it would make it impossible for law-abiding people who legally carry guns in their cars to fill up their gas tank, without risking felony imprisonment for 18 months. This is what anti-gun folks call "common sense gun laws". What is that, just above? Your own opinion? Woah.... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 December 14, 2011 Quote John, nice to see you put your own opinion with something you post. I agree that it is a stupid idea. (Even my kids are allowed to be a little petulant when they first start behaving as they were told to) (WHOOOOOOSH) "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #7 December 14, 2011 QuoteCorrect me if I'm wrong...but isn't using a gun in a felony a MAJOR ILLEGAL activity???? In Florida, it will get you 20. meh...in reality, 3-6 if that.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 December 14, 2011 Quote(WHOOOOOOSH) If you think I missed the point, why don't you explain it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 December 14, 2011 Quote Quote (WHOOOOOOSH) If you think I missed the point, why don't you explain it. Just re-read his post The part in the ( )'s "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #10 December 14, 2011 Quote Quote (WHOOOOOOSH) If you think I missed the point, why don't you explain it. It's kinda obvious, no? (sorry, just being a lil facetious today...)Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #11 December 14, 2011 That's not an explanation. Those emoticons you use remind me of people who laugh when they don't understand a joke.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #12 December 14, 2011 Quote That's not an explanation. Those emoticons you use remind me of people who laugh when they don't understand a joke.... Ya I dont get it "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #13 December 14, 2011 Then explain it if you understand it so well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #14 December 14, 2011 QuoteThen explain it if you understand it so well. You can't expect detailed explanations in this day of 4G LTE.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 December 14, 2011 Quote Then explain it if you understand it so well. Given the comments/attacks directed toward John in regards to not commenting in threads he starts, I think he played you (by your choice) very well Bravo"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #16 December 15, 2011 Quote What is that, just above? Your own opinion? Woah.... Yeah, because after all these years, I decided to come right out and tell everyone where I stand on the gun issue. No one has ever had a clue about my feelings on that topic until just now. And you heard it first! Now you'll never have to wonder about my gun stance ever again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #17 December 15, 2011 John, I called the new stations to give them advance notice of this ground shaking development!!! Don't be suprised when they show up for some footage! "The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #18 December 15, 2011 With an attorney most people cant afford. Otherwise, PD representation? Anywhere from 8-20. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #19 December 15, 2011 "Just as thousands of Wisconsin residents are starting to use their new permits to carry concealed weapons, a Milwaukee lawmaker has proposed making gas stations off limits. Assembly Bill 406's sponsor, Rep. Josh Zepnick, (D-Milwaukee), said many station owners, employees and customers are among his constituents and have suffered ongoing violent crime at and around the businesses... "Going armed at a gas station would be a felony punishable by up to 18 months in prison..." The new Concealed Carry law is already on the books. Yes? Ex post facto amendments to an existing bill probably would not make it out of any committee, much less to a vote. Especially a bill that bumps up against the Bill of Rights. But with Demos, bankruptcy laws, Bill of Rights, and the Constitution be damned. As a guess, I'd say that the bill is not legally sufficient. In that such an amendment to a recently passed piece of legislation, without a history or a cause to justify that amendment, would be an effort to redefine the bills intent. Which has already been "vetted" in committee and lawfully passed and signed in to law. Sounds like Rep. Josh Zepnick, (D-Milwaukee) is pandering to the anti gun population. Lots of bills are thrown about by half ass politicians. Most are for political gain. If one were to read some of these nonsensical bills, the glaring omission of funding and/or jurisdiction waves like a red flag. "Beware....... bull-schidter at work" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 December 15, 2011 QuoteYeah, because after all these years, I decided to come right out and tell everyone where I stand on the gun issue. No one has ever had a clue about my feelings on that topic until just now. And you heard it first! Now you'll never have to wonder about my gun stance ever again. We already knew your stance on guns in general. But when you post articles related to specific sub-issues, it isn't always clear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #21 December 15, 2011 What about the OWNERS and employees of the gas station? Would the law apply to them? or only visitors and patrons? Just seeing if the proposal can cross an even more stupid line. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 December 15, 2011 Quote The bill would also upgrade to felonies any act of theft or criminal damage to property at a gas station. Zepnick said the hope is that increased punishment might help break the pattern of gas stations being targeted for crime. as soon as we see an uneven application of a proposal, then you know the legislator is an idiot just pandering to a specific voting group I guess shooting someone in a gas station is a LOT worse than shooting someone at a pharmacy, or a doctor's office, or a factory.....I guess stealing a Milky Way from a gas station is much worse than stealing drugs from that pharmacy too...again, these idiots don't get it - they want to ban an object, they want to make it worse based on skin color, or the location of the act - but they continue to just refuse to make a consistent law that is solely based on the act - and the act alone it seems that if murder and stealing and assault are really bad at gas stations - then a useful reaction would be to provide a means to protect those sites better - a much more direct application of the social contract. Much better than uneven application of impotent gestures of legislative futility ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #23 December 16, 2011 Guns give off sparks, which are dangerous around gasoline. It's like smoking near a gas pump. Why do you support smoking near gas pumps? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 December 16, 2011 QuoteGuns give off sparks, which are dangerous around gasoline. It's like smoking near a gas pump. Why do you support smoking near gas pumps? I fired bottle rockets across a pool of gas without any luck. Very disappointing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 December 16, 2011 QuoteWhat about the OWNERS and employees of the gas station? Would the law apply to them? Good question. In order to be consistent, guns would have to be banned from the owners and employees on the property also. But that would be ridiculous from the standpoint of the stated goal - to prevent robberies and violence against clerks. Obviously, a gas station owner or clerk isn't going to rob or assault himself. But if you allow the owner or clerk to keep a gun for self protection, that causes two problems with the logic: The first is that it's an acknowledgement that the law is worthless at actually deterring armed robbers, since the attendents still need protection. And secondly, if the attendents are to be allowed self protection, then why shouldn't the patrons also have that same right? So again, that destroys any pretense of logic that supports the law. Now, for the seven people that voted that this is a good idea - let's hear from you! Please explain why you think this is a good idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
