More Gun Control Regulations the Goal of Fast and Furious

[rushmc 23]

I believe I said this some months ago
This "program" was not about solving crimes and gun running
It was to create an atmosphere where loony left gun-o-phoebes could try and get more gun control regulations. Controls that would not even go through the Congress

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-57338546-10391695/documents-atf-used-fast-and-furious-to-make-the-case-for-gun-regulations/?tag=mncol;lst;1

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Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.
PICTURES: ATF "Gunwalking" scandal timeline

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

On July 14, 2010 after ATF headquarters in Washington D.C. received an update on Fast and Furious, ATF Field Ops Assistant Director Mark Chait emailed Bill Newell, ATF's Phoenix Special Agent in Charge of Fast and Furious:

"Bill - can you see if these guns were all purchased from the same (licensed gun dealer) and at one time. We are looking at anecdotal cases to support a demand letter on long gun multiple sales. Thanks."

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'We didn't lie. We didn't perjure ourselves. We merely provided sworn testimony and letters to congress that was completely inaccurate.' -Holder

'Lying,' Holder Says, 'Has to Do With Your State of Mind'

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This morning on Capitol Hill, Attorney General Eric Holder was asked whether he lied to Congress about the Fast & Furious gun-running scandal: 

Rep. James Sensenbrenner asked Holder: “Tell me what's the difference between lying and misleading Congress, in this context?”

Holder's response is a bit Clintonian. “Well, if you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie," Holder said. "The information that was provided by the February 4th letter was gleaned by the people who drafted the letter after they interacted with people who they thought were in the best position to have the information.”

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/holder-nobody-doj-has-lied/244706

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Attorney General Eric Holder denied that anybody at the Department of Justice lied about the Fast and Furious program that allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug lords, even though he admitted that the DOJ sent inaccurate information to Congress.

Last week, the DOJ took the rare step of formally withdrawing a letter it sent to Congress in February that falsely claimed the program being executed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives did not allow guns to "walk" into Mexico.

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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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'We didn't lie. We didn't perjure ourselves. We merely provided sworn testimony and letters to congress that was completely inaccurate.' -Holder

So he either lied to Congress, or he's incompetent.
Either way, he's gotta go...

[rushmc 23]

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'We didn't lie. We didn't perjure ourselves. We merely provided sworn testimony and letters to congress that was completely inaccurate.' -Holder

'Lying,' Holder Says, 'Has to Do With Your State of Mind'

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This morning on Capitol Hill, Attorney General Eric Holder was asked whether he lied to Congress about the Fast & Furious gun-running scandal: 

Rep. James Sensenbrenner asked Holder: “Tell me what's the difference between lying and misleading Congress, in this context?”

Holder's response is a bit Clintonian. “Well, if you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie," Holder said. "The information that was provided by the February 4th letter was gleaned by the people who drafted the letter after they interacted with people who they thought were in the best position to have the information.”

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/holder-nobody-doj-has-lied/244706

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Attorney General Eric Holder denied that anybody at the Department of Justice lied about the Fast and Furious program that allowed guns to fall into the hands of Mexican drug lords, even though he admitted that the DOJ sent inaccurate information to Congress.

Last week, the DOJ took the rare step of formally withdrawing a letter it sent to Congress in February that falsely claimed the program being executed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives did not allow guns to "walk" into Mexico.

Holder needs to go

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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‘Furious’ twisting
Eric Holder stonewalls

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For the sake of argument, let’s assume that everything Attorney General Eric Holder told the House Judiciary Committee yesterday was true.
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That should be enough to convince you to read a fairly short but poignant article.

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[rushmc 23]

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‘Furious’ twisting
Eric Holder stonewalls

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For the sake of argument, let’s assume that everything Attorney General Eric Holder told the House Judiciary Committee yesterday was true.
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That should be enough to convince you to read a fairly short but poignant article.

If ANYBODY believes this guy at this point, well, I got some ocean front property here in Iowa to sell them

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Update:

http://news.yahoo.com/fast-furious-probe-clears-holder-faults-atf-justice-211946201.html

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Where does the buck stop? Holder should resign.

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The beauty of time...it can erase all evidence.

Crooked bastards.

[rushmc 23]

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http://news.yahoo.com/fast-furious-probe-clears-holder-faults-atf-justice-211946201.html

AT this point, the white house has refused to release any docutments

More to come.....

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
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http://news.yahoo.com/fast-furious-probe-clears-holder-faults-atf-justice-211946201.html

Their conclusion that Holder didn't know isn't very compelling. Never minding the question of how bad it is if he didn't know...I just don't believe it.

They did pick out a good number of sacrificial lambs...if this was his fuckup, the underlings aren't going to agree to shit like this again.

[rushmc 23]

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http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ig-white-house-made-it-impossible-pursue-lead-fast-and-furious-probe

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IG: White House ‘Made it Impossible’ to Pursue Lead in Fast and Furious Probe

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Their conclusion that Holder didn't know isn't very compelling

Why not? The Department of Justice cleared the head of the Department of Justice. Just because Eric Holder in essence cleared himself of wrongdoing doesn't mean he is clear of wrongdoing.

It's downright Nixonian.

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