JohnRich 4 #1 December 8, 2011 News:Lawmakers Blast Administration For Calling Fort Hood Massacre 'Workplace Violence' "Sen. Susan Collins on Wednesday blasted the Defense Department for classifying the Fort Hood massacre as workplace violence and suggested political correctness is being placed above the security of the nation's Armed Forces at home. "During a joint session of the Senate and House Homeland Security Committee on Wednesday, the Maine Republican referenced a letter from the Defense Department depicting the Fort Hood shootings as workplace violence..."Full story: Fox News Was the Fort Hood massacre a terrorist act, or just workplace violence? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #2 December 8, 2011 It was both. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,602 #3 December 8, 2011 I don't think there's a clean defining line. If by "workplace violence" you mean only people who have been fired or who are pissed at significant others, then this wasn't workplace violence. But when you include the nutters who just have a grudge, why is a grudge based on ideology of one type any different from a grudge based on ideology of any other type? If he were not from that workplace, it'd definitely be terrorism only. But his working there conflates it. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #4 December 8, 2011 Terrorist act that took place at his workplace. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #5 December 8, 2011 I know the definition of workplace violence. I am having a harder time with a definition of a terrorist act. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #6 December 8, 2011 QuoteI know the definition of workplace violence. I am having a harder time with a definition of a terrorist act. It was him screaming "Allah Akbar" that nudged it over the line for me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 December 8, 2011 If he had screamed God is Great in english it would not have been a terrorist act? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #8 December 8, 2011 Quote If he had screamed God is Great in english it would not have been a terrorist act? Oh yeah, that would have made a great deal of difference. If only he hadn't been screaming in Arab. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 December 8, 2011 Only Arabs can be terrorists? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #10 December 8, 2011 QuoteOnly Arabs can be terrorists? Currently most seem to be. Although the ZATA's if the name is correct are terrorist in my book, and they are working hard at taking the number one spot from the Arabs. But then again I could be full of it...and therefore back to my self imposed BANNING. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #11 December 8, 2011 "Lawmakers said there have been 33 plots against the U.S. military since Sept. 11, 2001, and 70 percent of those threats have been since mid-2009. " I'm having trouble with that statement from the article. Either a) it doesn't make sense, or b) I'm reading it wrong and missing somethingMy reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 December 9, 2011 Apparently you missed this and the sarcasm it implied. Do you think this was just a simple case of workplace violence? Was Tim McVie just having a little tit for tat with ATF for attacking religious people at Waco? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #13 December 9, 2011 with all the legislation on the table about 'terrorism' and in particular, indefinite detention of terrorists, I expect many will choose their words more carefully. so yes, it is workplace violence, when it suits someone who needs that definition and it is terrorism when someone needs someone detained and that suits the moment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 December 9, 2011 Quote"Lawmakers said there have been 33 plots against the U.S. military since Sept. 11, 2001, and 70 percent of those threats have been since mid-2009. " I'm having trouble with that statement from the article. Either a) it doesn't make sense, or b) I'm reading it wrong and missing something 33 plots against the military since 2001, 23 of them since mid-2009.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #15 December 9, 2011 QuoteDo you think this was just a simple case of workplace violence? Without a definition of a Terrorist Act it is hard to answer that question. Which brings us back to my original post. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #16 December 9, 2011 It was a clear & consise case of Terrorism. What I can't wrap my head around is how in the world did that sand nig*er get in a "No weapons zone" to begin with. My oldest son, (Jonathon) who was stationed in Hood advised me that the area he was in was a "Zero Tolerance, No Weapons Area" because of the mix of civilians and Army personal being in the same area at the same time. This was a premeditated, violent act of a Saudi-American, never mind which force he was joined with. Never mind whats going on now, he'll burn in hell no matter what. If I had been an MP that day, he wouldn't have had the chance to have a day in court to begin with. He would've been dead that day. "Double Tap" is what he would have gotten from me. I hate the SOAB.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 December 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteDo you think this was just a simple case of workplace violence? Without a definition of a Terrorist Act it is hard to answer that question. Which brings us back to my original post. Just use the same standard which defines the difference between a murder and a hate crime. It's all about intent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #18 December 15, 2011 QuoteIf he had screamed God is Great in english it would not have been a terrorist act? If he had done it at say a mosque.... Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #19 December 15, 2011 QuoteJust use the same standard which defines the difference between a murder and a hate crime. It's all about intent. Pretty nailed it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #20 December 15, 2011 Quote Was the Fort Hood massacre a terrorist act, or just workplace violence? i see no reason why it can't be classed as both. Just because an act is a terrorist act also doesn't necessarily make it worse than a terrorist act so I'm not sure why you used the word 'just' in front of workplace violence.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #21 December 15, 2011 Quote But his working there conflates it You have a way with words Wendy, I like your use of the word 'conflates', great term.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
