mnealtx 0 #101 December 15, 2011 Quote1) we started out with 100% about 1-2 centuries ago, so Christianity is in decline i.e. "a goner" Show your cite.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #102 December 15, 2011 Denying that Christianity is in serious trouble in Europe is rather ignorant, but knock yourself out: https://www.google.com/search?q=decline+of+Christianity+in+europe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #103 December 15, 2011 QuoteDenying that Christianity is in serious trouble in Europe is rather ignorant, but knock yourself out: https://www.google.com/search?q=decline+of+Christianity+in+europe&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:nl:official&client=firefox-a A Google search page does not support your claim that the Western world was 100% Christian 100-200 years ago. Try again.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #104 December 15, 2011 A Google search page does not support your claim that the Western world was 100% Christian 100-200 years ago. Good one, luckily I'm not afraid to say that that claim wasn't valid. "Close to 100% was Christian" or "A great majority was Christian" would have been better. let's go from there. I'll see what I can find. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #105 December 15, 2011 Alas, no statistics, not that anyone with a vague notion of the history of Christianity in Europe would describe the period between 1811-2011 in any other words than "the collapse of Christianity" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #106 December 16, 2011 Quote QuoteWell, opinion is opinion. History however isn't an opinion. And therein lies your confusion. You seem to think your statement is history when in fact it's opinion. QuoteQuoteYour posts, as with many others, seem to indicate a problem with believers....hammering them for believing what they believe Actually, while I do like to bash Christianity to entertain myself, 'Nuff said...My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #107 December 16, 2011 QuoteAnd therein lies your confusion. You seem to think your statement is history when in fact it's opinion. If you compare the history of Christianity to other religions it's rather obvious that Christianity is extremely violent and intolerant. What do you think happened to all other religions in Europe? Sure some heathens fell for the catchy message and if the catchy message wasn't enough, violence was always an option. The only other religion that was more or less tolerated under Christian rule was Judaism. between the persecutions that is of course. Quote 'Nuff said... I like to discuss explosive topics because it's entertaining. I'm not arrogant enough to think I can change the world. As for Christianity being an good target. Yeah well, that's mostly due to the fact that many Christians don't really handle the reality of their religion well. Modern Christianity isn't very violent, but historical Christianity is a whole other kettle of fish. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #108 December 16, 2011 QuoteModern Christianity isn't very violent, but historical Christianity is a whole other kettle of fish. Well sure, because christianity today isn't really associated with being a governing force, or theocracy. If "religious" governments engage in a violent conflict, the religion is the scapegoat even when the religion had nothing to do with it. This all just your typical fallacy of association. It's no different than saying atheism is violent because of the Tigers of Tamil, Napolean, Musollini, Enver Hoxha and all the other violent atheistic leaders and their contribution to the infamy of antirevisionism.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #109 December 17, 2011 QuoteThis all just your typical fallacy of association. It's no different than saying atheism is violent because of the Tigers of Tamil, Napolean, Musollini, Enver Hoxha and all the other violent atheistic leaders and their contribution to the infamy of antirevisionism. Wait!!!!! It's gotta be the religion!!!! I can't be the twisted bozo humans!!!!! Can it? Let's condemn all of baseball because some bozo used a bat to knock somebody's head!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #110 December 18, 2011 QuoteLet's condemn all of baseball because some bozo used a bat to knock somebody's head! In case of Christianity the "baseball bat" comes with a description of groups of people you should kill with it. And then there's of course the history of the religion that's even more depraved than the book. While the book orders the dead of people for victimless crimes, thought crimes and imaginary crimes, it never ordered that said people should be tortured or even tortured to death. On the other hand, your god is said to eternally torture people over victimless crimes, thought crimes and imaginary crimes, so, well, the example is there. As for the evil atheists: unlike the bible the phrase "there is no god" doesn't contain a message of hatred, intolerance and bigotry, so you really need something else to be a megalomaniac mass-murderer. Whatever that is, I reject it. Christians however consider their book as the greatest achievement of humanity and don't reject the parts of it that are evil. QuoteWait!!!!! It's gotta be the religion!!!! I can't be the twisted bozo humans!!!!! Of course it's the religion, it's so obvious that I wonder how it's possible that people don't see it. Do people twist the religion? Yes, all the time, and that's the good news. Many manage to twist the message of the bible into something good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #111 December 18, 2011 Quote Many manage to twist the message of the bible into something good. And you twist it into something bad. Didn't you say that Christ taught extreme pacifism? Didn't you say that you're insane if you turn the other cheek and love your enemy? There, now the thread is back on topic...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
