Marching to MARS!

[billvon 3,120]

>Now you're equating a few billion $$ a year for one or two space shots w/a
>recreational sport?

Equating two worthless (objectively) pursuits. Well, purely objectively, we get more from manned exploration than we do from sport parachuting in terms of both science and engineering advancement.

[PiLFy 3]

Yeah, & the annual budgets for the parachuting industry vs. NASA would be how much?

Give it a rest, already...

[Amazon 7]

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The space race of the Sixties was really an arms race. That's abundantly obvious to most people.

What is easier, is maintaining the status quo. That's easier than redirecting efforts & monies to solve the problems on this rock.

So many people seem to forget the HUGE amount of benefits.... like a hell of a lot of your toys.. that have a direct lineage to that program.

And for the record yes we DO need to go back there... and stay there this time. There is a whole VERY LARGE landmass composed of the same minerals as this planet sitting right there in front of our noses for those willing to exploit those resources that are dwindling here.

The moon is a great stepping stone to other places as well... small gravity well for the moon, and its easier to use it as a huge space station than that puny little thing in low orbit that tries to come crashing down all the time. There is plenty of pure science that can be done in labs there, with less of a possibility of unintended consequences here on Earth.. in our atmosphere.

[Squeak 17]

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Yeah, & the annual budgets for the parachuting industry vs. NASA would be how much?

Give it a rest, already...

You don’t think very deeply do you.
You are only focussed on the short term cost not on the advances in external areas that are attributed to the space programs.
Textiles, computing, medical science, metallurgy, chemistry have ALL made significant advances because of the funding afforded to the space programs.
Your myopic view of it does little to no justice to either the program or the USofA education system as it relates to history or cognitive thinking.

Get off your high horse and take a look at the bigger picture

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[PiLFy 3]

Sounds like someone bought a lot of the BS NASA puts out in their marketing packets.

"Yeah, we'll just set up shop on the moon. Then, we'll terraform Mars into a new Eden within...oh, about a year... After that, we'll warp to other galaxies, & be back in time for lunch."

We disagree on priorities. Nothing wrong w/that. You guys can try all the debate tactics you please. They're not going to change my opinion on this.

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"Yeah, we'll just set up shop on the moon. Then, we'll terraform Mars into a new Eden within...oh, about a year... After that, we'll warp to other galaxies, & be back in time for lunch."

Nobody from NASA ever said that. Not even in jest.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[PiLFy 3]

Other than the fact that I've already told you & your crass demeanor to piss off in an earlier thread. You don't know squat about me. Just because I disagree w/you doesn't make me wrong. I have different priorities than some of you. It's as simple as that.

Back on your high horse, Mouse.

[PiLFy 3]

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"Yeah, we'll just set up shop on the moon. Then, we'll terraform Mars into a new Eden within...oh, about a year... After that, we'll warp to other galaxies, & be back in time for lunch."

Nobody from NASA ever said that. Not even in jest.

Well, I was paraphrasing a little. I think you get my meaning.

[Squeak 17]

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Other than the fact that I've already told you & your crass demeanor to piss off in an earlier thread. You don't know squat about me. Just because I disagree w/you doesn't make me wrong. I have different priorities than some of you. It's as simple as that.

Back on your high horse, Mouse.

You can disagree all you want, but you are still wrong in asserting that there's no value in it. and Stomping your foot and saying "you can't change my mind" is just petulant and childish

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[PiLFy 3]

Who is stomping their foot? I'm not. Nor is anyone else, here. I also never said there's no value in it. Do pay more attention before putting words into others' mouths.

[Squeak 17]

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Who is stomping their foot? I'm not. Nor is anyone else, here. I also never said there's no value in it. Do pay more attention before putting words into others' mouths.

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They're blowing $2.5 BILLION to see if itty bitty microbes used to exist there.

Been there_done that_got the tee shirt... We don't need to do it again

You guys can try all the debate tactics you please. They're not going to change my opinion on this.

Yeah you're right, what was I thinking

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[PiLFy 3]

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Who is stomping their foot? I'm not. Nor is anyone else, here. I also never said there's no value in it. Do pay more attention before putting words into others' mouths.

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They're blowing $2.5 BILLION to see if itty bitty microbes used to exist there.

Been there_done that_got the tee shirt... We don't need to do it again

You guys can try all the debate tactics you please. They're not going to change my opinion on this.

Yeah you're right, what was I thinking

That doesn't prove a single thing. I did not say space exploration has no worth or benefit there, or anywhere else. Feel free to carry on, squeak. I need to get ready for work tomorrow. Enjoy yourself.

[Coreece 190]

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And for the record yes we DO need to go back there... and stay there this time. There is a whole VERY LARGE landmass composed of the same minerals as this planet sitting right there in front of our noses for those willing to exploit those resources that are dwindling here.

Damn, how cruel is it that this thead is not in SC...

Oh the humanity is killing me!

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Coreece 190]

ok, ok...I was joking.

The fun part was the ambiguity of what I could've meant.

any guesses?

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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ok, ok...I was joking.
The fun part was the ambiguity of what I could've meant.
any guesses?

When you said this?

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Oh the humanity is killing me!

That it's going down in flames (like the Hindenburg).

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Coreece 190]

Let me rephrase...

The fun part is the ambiguity and how people preceive it.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Amazon 7]

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Sounds like someone bought a lot of the BS NASA puts out in their marketing packets.

"Yeah, we'll just set up shop on the moon. Then, we'll terraform Mars into a new Eden within...oh, about a year... After that, we'll warp to other galaxies, & be back in time for lunch."

We disagree on priorities. Nothing wrong w/that. You guys can try all the debate tactics you please. They're not going to change my opinion on this.

Of course we wont dear

[lawrocket 3]

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Do you work in aerospace too, Bill? We've already been there. It's a barren rock.

We've had six probes successfully land on Mars. To suggest we've even scratched the surface of our knowledge of the planet after six landings gave us knowledge of a few acres of it seems fairly ludicrous.

The moon is barren rock, too, but it tells a story. It's also got some stuff that's useful like Helium 3. We just don't know.

Part of the thing is to simply explore. Maybe something can be discovered or exploited. Maybe not.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[champu 1]

Also, the number of technologies (and in some cases entire industries) that are taken for granted today that have come out of companies, research universities, and national labs over the last sixty years is staggering. Most of the funding for the work came from buckets of money labeled, "Categories of spending that people hate these days." And most are things that private enterprise would never have shouldered the risk to pursue.

Note that pretty much every explosion in development and technological advancements prior to the 1960's was secured against risk by the rampant expenditure of plentiful natural resources: Mineable deposits, dense forests, fertile land, populous oceans, fossil fuels, etc. Those days are over, at least on this rock.

Every dollar the government spends today will have one of three fates many years from now. It will be remembered as a visionary investment, it will be remembered as purchasing our own misery, or it will be completely forgotten (i.e. non-durable). Space exploration, medical research, etc. are of the first category, pounding sand in the middle east for too long seems to fit the second, and most entitlement and income security programs fall into the third.

While the federal government needs to curtail spending so as to avoid every dollar leaving only the legacy of an insurmountable debt, it's not a good idea to focus too hard on non-durable spending.

[shah269 0]

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>We found rocks worth a gazillion dollars an ounce on the moon, did we?

Nope. But we walked there, and learned to survive (for a short time) there, and learned how to get to another planetoid outside the Earth relatively safely. And that IS worth a gazillion dollars.

No wait I thought we found H3 on the moon and that's gazillion dollars an ounce

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[billvon 3,120]

>No wait I thought we found H3 on the moon and that's gazillion dollars an ounce

Yes, it's more common on the moon than on earth, but we don't have a use for it yet. If we ever get nuclear fusion working then it could be a useful fuel though.

[shah269 0]

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>No wait I thought we found H3 on the moon and that's gazillion dollars an ounce

Yes, it's more common on the moon than on earth, but we don't have a use for it yet. If we ever get nuclear fusion working then it could be a useful fuel though.

Hum...and nuclear fusion will give us hot robot chicks right? I mean that is why we do ANYTHING! To get some epic ass! Be it real or robo loving!

Oh yeah! Cherry 2000! Now that's what I'm talking about!

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[billvon 3,120]

>Hum...and nuclear fusion will give us hot robot chicks right?

Yep. And they will, quite literally, be hot.

[Calvin19 0]

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2.5 BILLION DOLLARS (probably more) spent by a nation in dire financial straits....

I find it funny that you think that is a lot of money.

[shah269 0]

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>Hum...and nuclear fusion will give us hot robot chicks right?

Yep. And they will, quite literally, be hot.

That's what I'm talking about!


Guys here is what you need to know about all this space shit.

If done right it can change our lives. And before you stand up and scream BULL SHIT!

The food you have today exists because of the space program. So does much of what you have in front fo you.

The problem is that well...sadly...the new shit they are sending up is like the old shit they are sending up just more of it.

So who knows maybe they will find shit...maybe they won't but odds are...they won't. shit is hard to find. Ever try to find turtle shit?

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!