Marinus 0 #76 November 23, 2011 Quote As I have stated in the past, speculators will smooth out the transion, some will get rich most will go broke. Its called the market read a book. You don't seem to be aware of the fact that we life in a place were things can go wrong. Read a book, happy ending aren't guaranteed here.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #77 November 23, 2011 >When and if oil prices go up we will switch to other sources and methods. That is definitely true. If it happens gradually we will all switch over without too much trouble. If it happens within (say) two years, our economy will adapt by collapsing, thus reducing the demand for gasoline. >If i pull up to the pump and have my choice of gas at $10 or bio fuel for $2, I wont >need a government program to help me make the choice. Yep. That works if there is biofuel available that's compatible with modern cars. Thanks to conservatives, there will likely not be. But let's take a more likely scenario: You pull up with your gas powered car to the pump. Your options are gas for $10 a gallon, biodiesel for $5 a gallon, LNG for $5 a gallon or an electric charger for an equivalent of $1 a gallon. Which do you choose? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #78 November 24, 2011 Quote>When and if oil prices go up we will switch to other sources and methods. That is definitely true. If it happens gradually we will all switch over without too much trouble. If it happens within (say) two years, our economy will adapt by collapsing, thus reducing the demand for gasoline. >If i pull up to the pump and have my choice of gas at $10 or bio fuel for $2, I wont >need a government program to help me make the choice. Yep. That works if there is biofuel available that's compatible with modern cars. Thanks to conservatives, there will likely not be. But let's take a more likely scenario: You pull up with your gas powered car to the pump. Your options are gas for $10 a gallon, biodiesel for $5 a gallon, LNG for $5 a gallon or an electric charger for an equivalent of $1 a gallon. Which do you choose? Likely scenario? Hardly but it can happen if the wackos you support get to keep influencing the gov as they have tried to do"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #79 November 24, 2011 http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2011/11/23/did-10-stand-in-way-climate-science/"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #80 November 24, 2011 Again Bill you make my point. I would choose the $1 electric equilivant. But again I dont need a government program to help me make that destinction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,111 #81 November 24, 2011 >I would choose the $1 electric equilivant. How would you charge your gas powered car with the electric equivalent? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #82 November 24, 2011 Quote>I would choose the $1 electric equilivant. How would you charge your gas powered car with the electric equivalent? Very,very carefully. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #83 November 24, 2011 Chevy Volt, Mabey you have heard of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #84 November 25, 2011 I do apreciate your consirn with how much I pay at the pump, however this tread is about the science behind AGW. Lets get back to the topic at hand; or have you conceeded that it is no longer sound science? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sundevil777 102 #85 November 25, 2011 Quote>I would choose the $1 electric equilivant. How would you charge your gas powered car with the electric equivalent? I don't want govt deciding by specific subsidy the type of alternative. If subsidies are used to push things along, I would much rather that it be in the form of a performance goal and an award for achieving it, like the competition to put people in low earth orbit, there were specific targets that didn't dictate how to achieve them. I think fuel cells have more promise than battery powered alternatives, but don't want targeted industrial policy should making that decision.People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #86 November 27, 2011 First they ignore you then they ridicule you then they fight you then you win. Winning Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #87 November 30, 2011 http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/11/2009-climategate-email-warmist.html Warmist prepare back up plan because AGW is not working out like they thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #88 November 30, 2011 Quotehttp://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2011/11/2009-climategate-email-warmist.html Warmist prepare back up plan because AGW is not working out like they thought. What do you think the extra acidification of the oceans would be to the base of the food chain in the upperlayer ( the photic zone) of the ocean? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #89 November 30, 2011 apparently not enough to turn the planet into an oven, whatever it is.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #90 November 30, 2011 Quoteapparently not enough to turn the planet into an oven, whatever it is. It need not be an oven.. to kill off life in the ocean... coral bleaching anyone?? Also Tell me what happens to single celled plants and animals when you change the pH of their environment? Soylent green is starting look like a great investment opportunity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #91 November 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou sound suspiciously like a DENIER. Think of the children. You sound suspiciously like a CULTIST. Think of all that money to be taxed. Over many post in the past I've always considered many here members of the GW religion. But now I think I've been wrong and think you might be onto something. The GW movement is not a religion, but a CULT based on false science and feel good emotion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #92 November 30, 2011 Do you mean like this? http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/04/27/another-global-warming-crisis-canceled-for-lack-of-evidence/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #93 November 30, 2011 Quote>Been hearing that one since the early 70s. 1950's actually. Hubbert predicted that oil production in the US would peak in 1970. It peaked in 1973 and has been declining ever since. So yes, good example. Really, did it peak, or was it litigation, legislation that has caused it to decline? China doesn't seem to think it's peaked, after all they are drilling off our coast because we can't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #94 November 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou sound suspiciously like a DENIER. Think of the children. You sound suspiciously like a CULTIST. Think of all that money to be taxed. Over many post in the past I've always considered many here members of the GW religion. But now I think I've been wrong and think you might be onto something. The GW movement is not a religion, but a CULT based on false science and feel good emotion. It is far better to get your false information from those who benefit the most like the mine owners and " energy" corporations that are doing so well by extracting the natural resources that supposedly belong to all Americans. And just to make sure you get the "right" information in their "Fair and Balanced" manner, they assail you with it daily from all of the media outlets that NewsCorp owns. If you hear it enough, it must be "fair and balanced". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #95 November 30, 2011 Does this do it for you? http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v472/n7342/full/nature09950.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #96 November 30, 2011 QuoteDo you mean like this? http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2011/04/27/another-global-warming-crisis-canceled-for-lack-of-evidence/ Can you tell me the difference between CO2 and SO2 dissolved in water and its affect on life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #97 November 30, 2011 I use CO2 in my CORAL REEF tank to help maintain alkalinity and calcium levels. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #98 November 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteMan made climate change arguments and running out of oil are good examples of bad conclusions So you're claiming with a straight face that we aren't running out of oil? I suppose it could be argued that the planet has been running out since the first day it was tapped. So, if you want to take YOUR position literally, I probably cant. But, I think I say with a straight face that you and I will not see that happen in our life time, our children's lifetime or our grandchildren or great grandchildren's life times ( as easily as you can from your high horse that I am wrong) BTW Let me ask you a question Who were you on this site before you became Marinus? Well I would think Mother Earth is continuing to make OIL as we blog along. Running Out, is far from accurate, after all it is a renewable source of energy, just takes a little longer to brew. Well we can of course get our space program up and going and drill on Saturn's giant moon Titan. The price per gallon might be a little steep. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #99 November 30, 2011 Quote I use CO2 in my CORAL REEF tank to help maintain alkalinity and calcium levels. Dump some SO2 in there.. just for grins. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #100 November 30, 2011 lets try to stick to the topic of the post Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
