winsor 236 #26 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnd you don't listen, how many times do I have to tell you I wasn't a fanboy of bush! I basically don't like a single politician I have ever met. Except Ron Paul at the moment but I'm still researching his past. Speaking of not listening....reading comprehension can be your friend. And how is it you have an opinion on the subject? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #27 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteand you've lost it... Maybe he's back in the saddle again with some lowlyJimson weed. That stuff is deadly to livestock! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lurch 0 #28 November 19, 2011 "They all broke the laws. If, so many people don't like the laws... change 'em. Till then, that's the way it is, plain and simple." I hate to go straight to Godwin here but that excuse has been used for every psychotic abuse of the legal system ever committed, most notoriously of course being Nazi Germany. "You show your papers and register or you go to the camps, its The Law, you don't like it, change it, till then thats the way it is..."Live and learn... or die, and teach by example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #29 November 19, 2011 Quote"They all broke the laws. If, so many people don't like the laws... change 'em. Till then, that's the way it is, plain and simple." I hate to go straight to Godwin here but that excuse has been used for every psychotic abuse of the legal system ever committed, most notoriously of course being Nazi Germany. "You show your papers and register or you go to the camps, its The Law, you don't like it, change it, till then thats the way it is..." chuck would fit in well...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #30 November 19, 2011 The truth of the matter is, we have laws. You break the laws you are dealt with accordingly. There must be laws or we have total chaos. All you people who feel compelled to continually compare the U.S. to Nazi Germany or Communist Russia... get real. If it's all that bad here... why do so many people from all over the world flock here? Come-up with something new. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #31 November 19, 2011 Quote If it'a all that bad here... why do so many people from all over the world flock here? Come-up with something new. ditto Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #32 November 19, 2011 do you think the law should be changed or not? (or are you going to tell us all again that a tree is a tree is a tree)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #33 November 19, 2011 Quote Quote If it'a all that bad here... why do so many people from all over the world flock here? Come-up with something new. ditto head stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Calvin19 0 #34 November 19, 2011 changed it so it makes a little more sense. We are all using the same arguments everyone has always been using. again. IE- "if you don' lik it you can git-out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT0OqHr3wHQ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #35 November 19, 2011 I don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #36 November 19, 2011 QuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck I don't take drugs but I certainly want the law changed, or in Canada's case, the proposed changes to not be implemented. Here is a good example of the stupidity of the law. Sending this guy to penitentiary is going to cost a lot of money and stands exactly zero chance of having a better man emerge than is going in. He has lost his career and will come out with no options. Quite likely he will still be addicted. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #37 November 19, 2011 QuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #38 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. and if only people would stop having sex outside of marriage - or getting drunk, or gambling, or taking up risky sports...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #39 November 19, 2011 I don't care about drugs themselves, but the effect the cause on others. Person gets addicted, uses all his money to buy more, looses job, starts stealing, homeless etc. If you can keep a good job, support yourself, stay legal, and keep it to yourself then have at it. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #40 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. and if only people would stop having sex outside of marriage - or getting drunk, or gambling, or taking up risky sports... We have a "War on infidelity, inebriation, poker and skydiving"? Although, just like recreational users, some of these activities can bring its drama onto other peoples' lives who don't want it._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #41 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. and if only people would stop having sex outside of marriage - or getting drunk, or gambling, or taking up risky sports... We have a "War on infidelity, inebriation, poker and skydiving"? Although, just like recreational users, some of these activities can bring its drama onto other peoples' lives who don't want it. by your logic they should be illegal too. then we can start a 'war' on them...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #42 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. and if only people would stop having sex outside of marriage - or getting drunk, or gambling, or taking up risky sports... We have a "War on infidelity, inebriation, poker and skydiving"? Although, just like recreational users, some of these activities can bring its drama onto other peoples' lives who don't want it. by your logic they should be illegal too. then we can start a 'war' on them... By your logic, drugs should be legal. Continue to cause hurt and discontent, even death to others so you can "express your liberties" (get high). Very selfish. Mexico is decriminalized. Their issues got worse. Didn't work there._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #43 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. and if only people would stop having sex outside of marriage - or getting drunk, or gambling, or taking up risky sports... We have a "War on infidelity, inebriation, poker and skydiving"? Although, just like recreational users, some of these activities can bring its drama onto other peoples' lives who don't want it. by your logic they should be illegal too. then we can start a 'war' on them... By your logic, drugs should be legal. Continue to cause hurt and discontent, even death to others so you can "express your liberties" (get high). Very selfish. Mexico is decriminalized. Their issues got worse. Didn't work there. that's because mexico has a long land border with a country that is a huge importer of illegal drugs. mexico will be better off when that country gets the balls to change their racist founded 'drug' laws and not whine about what others do...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #44 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. and if only people would stop having sex outside of marriage - or getting drunk, or gambling, or taking up risky sports... We have a "War on infidelity, inebriation, poker and skydiving"? Although, just like recreational users, some of these activities can bring its drama onto other peoples' lives who don't want it. by your logic they should be illegal too. then we can start a 'war' on them... By your logic, drugs should be legal. Continue to cause hurt and discontent, even death to others so you can "express your liberties" (get high). Very selfish. Mexico is decriminalized. Their issues got worse. Didn't work there. that's because mexico has a long land border with a country that is a huge importer of illegal drugs. mexico will be better off when that country gets the balls to change their racist founded 'drug' laws and not whine about what others do... Now you are getting it. We are harming other people by being selfish. No one use drugs, no demand. No war on drugs. No drug violence. No addictions. We can change laws(won't decrease harm) or cause laws to be obsolete. Of course neither will ever happen. One's extrememly risky and the other, you can count on douchbags to be self-serving. This is evidence that "legalize" arguments are naive and/or self-serving. They have the gall to say it's the "laws" that cause it and completely ignore personal ongoing behaviors that continue to validate these laws in place, irrelevant of the racist origins._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #45 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. and if only people would stop having sex outside of marriage - or getting drunk, or gambling, or taking up risky sports... We have a "War on infidelity, inebriation, poker and skydiving"? Although, just like recreational users, some of these activities can bring its drama onto other peoples' lives who don't want it. by your logic they should be illegal too. then we can start a 'war' on them... By your logic, drugs should be legal. Continue to cause hurt and discontent, even death to others so you can "express your liberties" (get high). Very selfish. Mexico is decriminalized. Their issues got worse. Didn't work there. that's because mexico has a long land border with a country that is a huge importer of illegal drugs. mexico will be better off when that country gets the balls to change their racist founded 'drug' laws and not whine about what others do... Now you are getting it. We are harming other people by being selfish. No one use drugs, no demand. No war on drugs. No drug violence. No addictions. We can change laws(won't decrease harm) or cause laws to be obsolete. Of course neither will ever happen. One's extrememly risky and the other, you can count on douchbags to be self-serving. This is evidence that "legalize" arguments are naive and/or self-serving. They have the gall to say it's the "laws" that cause it and completely ignore personal ongoing behaviors that continue to validate these laws in place, irrelevant of the racist origins. so we've all got to stop drinking because you say so. you'd have thought that you'd have learned from that failed experiment on turning back the tide of human nature. but obviously not. there are still 'absolutists' who believe that the future of people is forever and forever without drugs - dream on laddie. hundreds of thousands of years of human history tell us otherwise...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #46 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck I don't take drugs but I certainly want the law changed, or in Canada's case, the proposed changes to not be implemented. Here is a good example of the stupidity of the law. Sending this guy to penitentiary is going to cost a lot of money and stands exactly zero chance of having a better man emerge than is going in. He has lost his career and will come out with no options. Quite likely he will still be addicted. The law, I'm sure, could usesome 'tweaking' as withmany of our laws. In fact, we have too many laws. Laws stacked on laws. I do believe, much more thought could be put into our laws. It seems that too many of them are just 'shots from the hip'. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #47 November 19, 2011 As it stands, these are the laws we have to live with. Should they be changed? Probably so. What you don't seem to want to understand is, we the people can go through the 'process' and get the laws changed. If, people don't want to do that but would rather sit back and bitch about it, they get what they get. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #48 November 19, 2011 you seem to be the one bitching that i'm proposing to change the law - and in the politics forum heaven forbid... (you're as useful as anyone who can say a tree is a tree. the correct forum for you would be the bonfire)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #49 November 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteI don't have a problem with the law. It just seems to bother the self-centered dope-heads who have to have their daily fix. They're the one's with the problem! Chuck There's another way to stop the "War on Drugs". The dopeheads actually stop using the stuff. Imagine how much that will decrease the violence, lower costs associated to fighting it and clean up some communities if there's a considerable drop in demand. . . Naah, the recreational users would never do that. Easier to push a "solution" that benefits them. Ya' nailed it! Some people just have a difficult time realizing... this ain't Burger King! You don't get it your way. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #50 November 19, 2011 this guy should know... QuoteUnder Calderón, Mexican forces have made even more arrests, bigger seizures and record extraditions — winning praise and $1.4 billion in support from the U.S. But each kingpin who goes down only appears to provoke more bloodshed, as lieutenants war with one another to take over turfs. In total, there have been more than 30,000 drug-related killings in the four years since Calderón took office, compared with some 7,000 in the last four years of Fox's tenure. Such relentless murder, Fox argues, shows that the drug war cannot be won through strength of arms. "I believe that violence against violence doesn't work. It only unleashes more violence and a conflict of the size we have in Mexico," Fox says. "And it is not only in people's income, in investment, but also in the collective psychology. There is fear in the country. And when you have an environment where there is no harmony, no peace and tranquility, then no human being can make the best of themselves." http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2040882,00.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
