mnealtx 0 #51 November 21, 2011 QuoteStrawman, and a lame one at that. Lame attempt to redirect. Let me remind you of your post #26 in this thread: "If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do." So, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. QuoteEveryone must contribute, including the "rich" who have bought and paid for the Congress to shift an ever greater percentage of the nation's wealth in their direction. "Mr. Immelt...paging Mr. Immelt to the red courtesy phone..." QuoteAnd that's ALL of the rich, not only those with a sense of patriotism. Guess that leaves you and Buffett out, then.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #52 November 21, 2011 that's 2 red flags...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #53 November 21, 2011 Quotethat's 2 red flags... To quote the song... "Here's a quarter, call someone who cares..."Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #54 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteStrawman, and a lame one at that. Lame attempt to redirect. Let me remind you of your post #26 in this thread: "If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do." So, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. . It may come a s a surprise to you, but I don't have the power to change the tax code. Your argument is lame and stupid.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #55 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteStrawman, and a lame one at that. Lame attempt to redirect. Let me remind you of your post #26 in this thread: "If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do." So, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. . It may come a s a surprise to you, but I don't have the power to change the tax code. You *do* have the power to voluntarily donate...something neither you nor Buffett have done for all your carping about the problem. QuoteYour argument is lame and stupid. My argument is just fine...your excuses are a different matter.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #56 November 21, 2011 that's 3 red flags - you're on a roll...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #57 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Strawman, and a lame one at that. Lame attempt to redirect. Let me remind you of your post #26 in this thread: "If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do." So, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. . It may come a s a surprise to you, but I don't have the power to change the tax code. Your argument is lame and stupid. When viewes under your flawed assurtion that the rich do not pay their fair share (what ever the hell that amount is) The top 1% of income earners pay over 30% of the fed income taxes Not enough? Spending is the problem Not lack of revenue"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #58 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStrawman, and a lame one at that. Lame attempt to redirect. Let me remind you of your post #26 in this thread: "If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do." So, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. . It may come a s a surprise to you, but I don't have the power to change the tax code. You *do* have the power to voluntarily donate...something neither you nor Buffett have done for all your carping about the problem. . 1. You don't know that. 2. Voluntary donations won't work because the majority of people are greedy like you. The Bush tax cuts need to be repealed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #59 November 21, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteStrawman, and a lame one at that. Lame attempt to redirect. Let me remind you of your post #26 in this thread: "If the upper tax brackets are raised I will in fact lose. I STILL think it's the right thing to do." So, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. . It may come a s a surprise to you, but I don't have the power to change the tax code. You *do* have the power to voluntarily donate...something neither you nor Buffett have done for all your carping about the problem. . Quote1. You don't know that. "What makes you think I'm not in the 1%?" John Kallend, 24 Oct 2011 Quote2. Voluntary donations won't work because the majority of people are greedy like you. Voluntary donations won't work because the 1%er's are greedy like you. Stunning display of hypocrisy. QuoteThe Bush tax cuts need to be repealed. In your opinion.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites champu 1 #60 November 22, 2011 QuoteSo, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. As much as I disagree with Kallend and dreamdancer on this topic, this is a crap argument Mike. Their argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. Similarly, you can't negotiate a strategic arms limitation treaty by saying, "Well if you're arguing that we should all get rid of our nuclear weapons, why don't you get rid of yours voluntarily even if the treaty doesn't get signed?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #61 November 22, 2011 QuoteTheir argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. No, their argument is that it's the right thing to do, period. They've both shown they're only willing to do it if they're forced to by Fed.gov. Their lame bleats about "it will only work if everyone is on board" is nothing but a sop to their conscience.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #62 November 22, 2011 that's 4 red flags...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #63 November 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteTheir argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. No, their argument is that it's the right thing to do, period. They've both shown they're only willing to do it if they're forced to by Fed.gov. Their lame bleats about "it will only work if everyone is on board" is nothing but a sop to their conscience. Champu is correct. You are wrong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #64 November 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteTheir argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. No, their argument is that it's the right thing to do, period. They've both shown they're only willing to do it if they're forced to by Fed.gov. Their lame bleats about "it will only work if everyone is on board" is nothing but a sop to their conscience. Champu is correct. You are wrong. If it were TRULY important, you'd make the donation instead of excuses.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #65 November 22, 2011 5 red flags...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #66 November 22, 2011 QuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? Won't the money be taxed again as the "friends" spend it?You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #67 November 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? Won't the money be taxed again as the "friends" spend it? From the rugby song Rodean School: "and again and again and again and again and again and again and again."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airdvr 210 #68 November 25, 2011 QuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? What you fail to realize is estates are not just cash on hand. Homes and businesses make up the lion's share of estates. Why should I have to sell my parent's home or sell off their business? The government didn't work hard to build a business and they certainly didn't build a home.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #69 November 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? What you fail to realize is estates are not just cash on hand. Homes and businesses make up the lion's share of estates. Why should I have to sell my parent's home or sell off their business? because they're dead and don't need it anymore...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airdvr 210 #70 November 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? What you fail to realize is estates are not just cash on hand. Homes and businesses make up the lion's share of estates. Why should I have to sell my parent's home or sell off their business? because they're dead and don't need it anymore... I realize that trying to have a rational convo on this subject with you is useless, but I'll bet the people who work at those businesses still need the jobs.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #71 November 25, 2011 if you're selling the business then the jobs will remain - just different owner...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #72 November 25, 2011 Quoteif you're selling the business then the jobs will remain - just different owner... You don't know that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites airdvr 210 #73 November 25, 2011 Quoteif you're selling the business then the jobs will remain - just different owner... OK...I realize the basic difference between you and I is you feel the government is somehow entitled to a piece of what's left. I'd be OK with a death tax that isn't so big that it forces people to dismantle what was built over time.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #74 November 25, 2011 i don't think getting unearned wealth is good for society...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #75 November 25, 2011 Quotei don't think getting unearned wealth is good for society... I don't have a problem with unearned wealth, just so long as the way it's transferred doesn't get more favorable treatment than wealth that is earned. If any sort of transfer is to be be favored, it should be earned income.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 3 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
champu 1 #60 November 22, 2011 QuoteSo, yup...it's the RIGHT thing to do...that's why you won't be doing it until you're forced to. As much as I disagree with Kallend and dreamdancer on this topic, this is a crap argument Mike. Their argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. Similarly, you can't negotiate a strategic arms limitation treaty by saying, "Well if you're arguing that we should all get rid of our nuclear weapons, why don't you get rid of yours voluntarily even if the treaty doesn't get signed?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #61 November 22, 2011 QuoteTheir argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. No, their argument is that it's the right thing to do, period. They've both shown they're only willing to do it if they're forced to by Fed.gov. Their lame bleats about "it will only work if everyone is on board" is nothing but a sop to their conscience.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #62 November 22, 2011 that's 4 red flags...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #63 November 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteTheir argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. No, their argument is that it's the right thing to do, period. They've both shown they're only willing to do it if they're forced to by Fed.gov. Their lame bleats about "it will only work if everyone is on board" is nothing but a sop to their conscience. Champu is correct. You are wrong.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #64 November 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteTheir argument is that it's the right thing to do if and only if everyone gets on board, and they're simply stating that they are willing to get on board. No, their argument is that it's the right thing to do, period. They've both shown they're only willing to do it if they're forced to by Fed.gov. Their lame bleats about "it will only work if everyone is on board" is nothing but a sop to their conscience. Champu is correct. You are wrong. If it were TRULY important, you'd make the donation instead of excuses.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #65 November 22, 2011 5 red flags...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #66 November 22, 2011 QuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? Won't the money be taxed again as the "friends" spend it?You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #67 November 22, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? Won't the money be taxed again as the "friends" spend it? From the rugby song Rodean School: "and again and again and again and again and again and again and again."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #68 November 25, 2011 QuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? What you fail to realize is estates are not just cash on hand. Homes and businesses make up the lion's share of estates. Why should I have to sell my parent's home or sell off their business? The government didn't work hard to build a business and they certainly didn't build a home.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #69 November 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? What you fail to realize is estates are not just cash on hand. Homes and businesses make up the lion's share of estates. Why should I have to sell my parent's home or sell off their business? because they're dead and don't need it anymore...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #70 November 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteYou you're concerned about the money being "taxed twice," then your logic is flawed because if you spend it (legally) it's already subject to sales tax. As for any amount left over for your "friends" after you die, why are they somehow special and should be the only ones to benefit from your death? Why shouldn't the country that enabled you to amass such a fortune also benefit after you're gone? What you fail to realize is estates are not just cash on hand. Homes and businesses make up the lion's share of estates. Why should I have to sell my parent's home or sell off their business? because they're dead and don't need it anymore... I realize that trying to have a rational convo on this subject with you is useless, but I'll bet the people who work at those businesses still need the jobs.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #71 November 25, 2011 if you're selling the business then the jobs will remain - just different owner...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #72 November 25, 2011 Quoteif you're selling the business then the jobs will remain - just different owner... You don't know that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #73 November 25, 2011 Quoteif you're selling the business then the jobs will remain - just different owner... OK...I realize the basic difference between you and I is you feel the government is somehow entitled to a piece of what's left. I'd be OK with a death tax that isn't so big that it forces people to dismantle what was built over time.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #74 November 25, 2011 i don't think getting unearned wealth is good for society...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #75 November 25, 2011 Quotei don't think getting unearned wealth is good for society... I don't have a problem with unearned wealth, just so long as the way it's transferred doesn't get more favorable treatment than wealth that is earned. If any sort of transfer is to be be favored, it should be earned income.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
