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Your one warning. Cut it out.
QuoteSo other than providing you with sensitive documents from multiple agencies, what will shut you up? Whether you like it or not, pepper spray is commonly used against suspects exhibiting passive noncompliance or nonassaultive physical resistance. Laws courts and agencies have deemed this appropriate.
Uh, not quite. The most prominent example was the Earth First people that chained themselves to trees. The cops applied the spray to swabs and then put it on their eyeballs. After a lot of bouncing around in courts, you have an appellate level finding that this is NOT appropriate use when there is no physical threat.
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QuoteQuoteSo other than providing you with sensitive documents from multiple agencies, what will shut you up? Whether you like it or not, pepper spray is commonly used against suspects exhibiting passive noncompliance or nonassaultive physical resistance. Laws courts and agencies have deemed this appropriate.
Uh, not quite. The most prominent example was the Earth First people that chained themselves to trees. The cops applied the spray to swabs and then put it on their eyeballs. After a lot of bouncing around in courts, you have an appellate level finding that this is NOT appropriate use when there is no physical threat.
Works great for control freaks and sadists looking to hand out some "justice" and teach some lessons
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Without reading pages and pages I think you are talking about the use of a level of force. I was once part of a large police force that was using a national program that came up with this standard flow chart of when to use what reaction level of force, and I can tell you for a fact that the use of pepper spray is allowed after a verbal command is given and a person does not comply. If not then disregard, but I did read someone here was wondering why it was used and if it was legal.
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QuoteWithout reading pages and pages I think you are talking about the use of a level of force. I was once part of a large police force that was using a national program that came up with this standard flow chart of when to use what reaction level of force, and I can tell you for a fact that the use of pepper spray is allowed after a verbal command is given and a person does not comply. If not then disregard, but I did read someone here was wondering why it was used and if it was legal.
It really pisses you guys off when someone DOES NOT COMPLY.. with every little desire you can come up with doesn't it.
Land of the free my ass.. the Founding Fathers would be ashamed of ALL of you
Then again... you guys would be the ones thumping them over the heads for King and Country
I totally agree with protest, and political involvement hell I have done it before I became a Classified Civil Servant and was by law not allowed to.
There are useful and progressive ways to go about it Amazon, when it comes to people getting to the point that they are now, the protest shifts TOTALLY away from the point they are trying to make, to a useless banter. Look at the shit we have been going back and forth about for two weeks, did ANYONE here solve anything?
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There are useful and progressive ways to go about it Amazon, when it comes to people getting to the point that they are now, the protest shifts TOTALLY away from the point they are trying to make, to a useless banter. Look at the shit we have been going back and forth about for two weeks, did ANYONE here solve anything?
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QuoteI totally agree with protest, and political involvement hell I have done it before I became a Classified Civil Servant and was by law not allowed to.
There are useful and progressive ways to go about it Amazon, when it comes to people getting to the point that they are now, the protest shifts TOTALLY away from the point they are trying to make, to a useless banter. Look at the shit we have been going back and forth about for two weeks, did ANYONE here solve anything?
No... because one side thru their training and mindset sees the other as low life "fleabaggers" and since they are not "people who matter" they need not be listened to.. just swept away by the militaristic servants of the 1%
Am I one of those people you are referring to? If so baby girl you are wrong!
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QuoteSo other than providing you with sensitive documents from multiple agencies, what will shut you up?
Since when are the authorizations of the police sensitive information? In any free country, civilians have access to that information. I even provided you with an example: I now know exactly when the police can use pepper spray against me. But I sort of suspect when you use the word "sensitive" it really means "non-existent" or "not supporting the claims I made".
But to answer your question, yes I need to see those documents, and since it's a bit mean to ask you for documents of "about every police organization" I would be contend with the three you specifically mentioned. Those of Berlin/Germany Tokyo/Japan London/UK. Else you claim really isn't worth anything at all.
QuoteWhether you like it or not, pepper spray is commonly used against suspects exhibiting passive noncompliance or nonassaultive physical resistance. Laws courts and agencies have deemed this appropriate.
Sure, sure, but I remember that you used the phrase "Just about every police organization". That's not the same as "commonly". "Almost universally" would be much more accurate here. So what you're doing here is shifting the goalposts. Possibly because you discovered that a lot of societies do take tear gas and pepper spray a lot more serious than that John Pike character.
QuoteIf you insist on talking about peacefully people committing no crime being attacked by police with chemical weapons,
First: I don't remember that I said that the police attacked the UC Davis protesters with "chemical weapons". Most probably because I never wrote that, but you're free to provide me with a link to a post were I said that, if I'm mistaken
Secondly: I do remember I said or implied that the protesters "could and maybe even should be arrested". While I don't know if sitting on the pavement is a crime, it surely indicates that I actually think they were possibly breaking laws by not complying to police orders.
Why are you twisting my words?
Quoteit'll be impossible to have a discussion with you about UC Davis,
Oh I see, you need a way out of this discussion. And because you seem to be a bit cornered, you put words in my mouth to make up an excuse as to why you can't discuss this with me.
Quotebecause that's not reality.
And since I didn't say it to begin with, it's (unfortunately I reckon) still possible for you to have this discussion with me.
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The discussion was more about whether it was the same everywhere. It's a bit hard to find specific information about how and when different police forces use pepper spray, but the Dutch Police are definitely more restricted in the use of it. It also classifies as an illegal weapon in several European countries. I find it kinda hard to believe that those countries would use pepper spray as the second step. I never heard about it being used in that way. Whenever people are sitting in the wrong spot in a non-violent way they're just being picked up and carried to better spot. (usually being a cop car or something) This is how Germans solve a situation similar to UC Davis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMmXv2IC8EE
Pepper spray isn't used here, and you can bet those German cops politely ordered those protesters to move before they carried them off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMmXv2IC8EE
Pepper spray isn't used here, and you can bet those German cops politely ordered those protesters to move before they carried them off.
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QuotePepper spray isn't used here, and you can bet those German cops politely ordered those protesters to move before they carried them off.
That technique doesn't work well when the protesters have thier arms linked. Damn near impossible to pick them up and carry them away.
Please don't dent the planet.
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QuoteThat technique doesn't work well when the protesters have thier arms linked. Damn near impossible to pick them up and carry them away.
Well, those protesters were cast in concrete and chained to a rail road. If the Germans figured out how to carry those protesters away, It shouldn't be too hard for Lt Baldy mcPepper to figure out how to unlink arms. Because I've seen my share of linked arms, and it's extremely possible to unlink them without the use of pepper spray. Also, American protesters aren't the only ones to ever use linked arms, it also happens in countries were the use of pepper spray isn't allowed in scenarios like UC Davis. Somehow they solve the situation without the use of pepper spray.
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QuoteSomehow they solve the situation without the use of pepper spray.
"Activists said some 150 people were injured as police dispersed some protests with tear gas and batons over the weekend, the German news agency dapd reported."
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If you insist on talking about peacefully people committing no crime being attacked by police with chemical weapons, it'll be impossible to have a discussion with you about UC Davis, because that's not reality.
Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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