mnealtx 0 #151 November 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnd Dutch police protocols apply to NYPD, how? It's actually Kennedy who makes the claim that police forces everywhere use the same rules and regulation considering tear gas/pepper spray the same way. If you had actually read the topic, you would have known that. My source pretty much disproves that claim btw. It simply may not be used against non-violent people that are sitting around doing nothing. Actually, your post supports his point more than it rebuts it. It states that pepper spray is used on someone suspected of having a weapon. It states that spray can be used to control someone prior to arrest. It states that spray can be used twice for less than once second at 1 meter.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #152 November 25, 2011 Ohhh, he meant all police agencies in NYPD.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #153 November 25, 2011 QuoteOhhh, he meant all police agencies in NYPD.... I re-read the post where he mentions Japan, Germany and the UK - got something specific from those countries to rebut his statement?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #154 November 25, 2011 He said: QuoteJust about every police organization uses the following use of force continuum. I think your almost check mate, mate. But I'll try to completely finish you off. Unfortunately for you I can read German. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShotterMG 0 #155 November 25, 2011 Hey Pig, do you happen to know anyone who is literate? Someone who can read this thread to you and explain why you come off as such a moron? All your posts are reactionary, angry and aggressive. in other words, you are acting exactly like the close minded, power hungry hig school drop out, angry, typical cop that people are complaining about. You are simply just too stupid to discuss anything. Which is who you are a cop. IMO , you're a real POS. Would love to see you argue without your gun, taser, pepper spray and army of fellow cops behind you. Because that you would never do. You are a coward. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #156 November 25, 2011 QuoteHe said: QuoteJust about every police organization uses the following use of force continuum. I think your almost check mate, mate. But I'll try to completely finish you off. Unfortunately for you I can read German. Since we are getting all symantical like, he says "Just about", leaves him the "out". MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #157 November 25, 2011 Quote Hey Pig ... blah blah blah ... Tell us how you really feel. I know I have flirted with my own bans hurling PAs at others, but since the moderators appear to be AWOL at this moment, I have a little reading I think you should catch up on. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1580205;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread PS: I was not aware that Kennedy is or is not a police officer (what you like to refer to as a Pig). The Police are not my favorite people as yes there are some bad apples who wear the badge. But they have an extremely difficult job. I am sure if we non-police officers walked a mile in their shoes we might have a better understanding of them. If you have evidence of police misconduct like this, then yes by all means it needs to be presented to the world. But the police have been quite patient towards this whole "Occupy" movement. After all there is a big difference to what is happening across North America versus what is happening in a place like Syria right now. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #158 November 25, 2011 No it doesn't say that, It says it can be used on someone who has a weapon ready for immediate use. It also states that that person must be a treat to another person. It can also be used on someone resisting arrest. You got the last one right. However it specifically forbids the use of pepper spray on groups. I would admire your courage for trying to out-Dutch me though, if it wasn't so tragically stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #159 November 25, 2011 QuoteSince we are getting all symantical like, he says "Just about", leaves him the "out". That's true, he has just enough room to manoeuvre himself out of this, but not without looking like a complete idiot. At this point it might actually better to admit defeat. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #160 November 25, 2011 Quote Quote Hey Pig ... blah blah blah ... Tell us how you really feel. I know I have flirted with my own bans hurling PAs at others, but since the moderators appear to be AWOL at this moment, I have a little reading I think you should catch up on. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=1580205;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread PS: I was not aware that Kennedy is or is not a police officer (what you like to refer to as a Pig). The Police are not my favorite people as yes there are some bad apples who wear the badge. But they have an extremely difficult job. I am sure if we non-police officers walked a mile in their shoes we might have a better understanding of them. If you have evidence of police misconduct like this, then yes by all means it needs to be presented to the world. But the police have been quite patient towards this whole "Occupy" movement. After all there is a big difference to what is happening across North America versus what is happening in a place like Syria right now. Give it time Steve. If the good cops do not rid themselves of the power hungry sadists in their midst... North America will be in the same place because too many people are willing to look the other way.. because they believe ( falsely I might add) that they are the "people who matter" and their police are there to protect them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #161 November 25, 2011 QuoteBut the police have been quite patient towards this whole "Occupy" movement. So because some OWS people misbehave, all OWS people are fair game? Because that's what you imply here. As for the rot apples: I don't think there's some rot apples in the US Police Forces, it looks more like a structural problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #162 November 25, 2011 QuoteI re-read the post where he mentions Japan, Germany and the UK - got something specific from those countries to rebut his statement? You didn't scroll up far enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #163 November 25, 2011 Quote So because some OWS people misbehave, all OWS people are fair game? Because that's what you imply here. ROFLMAO ... you just love to stereotype don't you. Nothing short of me saying "I want to see the cops crack some skulls" will make you happy. I got news for you, it's not going to happen. The world is shades of grey not black and white. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #164 November 25, 2011 Quote North America will be in the same place because too many people are willing to look the other way Now who is living in fear. Too fucking funny. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #165 November 25, 2011 Quote Quote North America will be in the same place because too many people are willing to look the other way Now who is living in fear. Too fucking funny. You are not very good with cautionary tales are you...OH DAYUM I forgot which group I am talking to daily Silly me Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #166 November 26, 2011 Quote Quote North America will be in the same place because too many people are willing to look the other way Now who is living in fear. Too fucking funny. Not a very good comeback at all. If you equate that statement to "fear", I have to question your definition of just what fear is. Recognizing an upcoming event and detailing a cause of it does not constitute fear by any definition in my book.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #167 November 26, 2011 Quote No it doesn't say that, Maybe you should get a better translation, then. Quote It says it can be used on someone who has a weapon ready for immediate use. It also states that that person must be a treat to another person. It can also be used on someone resisting arrest. You got the last one right. However it specifically forbids the use of pepper spray on groups. I would admire your courage for trying to out-Dutch me though, if it wasn't so tragically stupid. Out-Dutch you? Don't flatter yourself. I must have missed where you provided the info of where pepper spray falls in the use of force continuum - can you link to the post?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #168 November 26, 2011 Quote QuoteSince we are getting all symantical like, he says "Just about", leaves him the "out". That's true, he has just enough room to manoeuvre himself out of this, but not without looking like a complete idiot. At this point it might actually better to admit defeat. Unless you have the same information for police departments across the nation (which he also mentions), you might want to bow out, yourself - since we're discussing police tactics and use of force in the US.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #169 November 26, 2011 Let me repeat myself: Kennedy said that about every police force in the world uses the same continuum. So he may proof that himself. I don't know if K. is a cop, probably not because he comes across as a total ignorant loud mouth that gets his info from wikipedia, but I'm pretty sure he shouldn't be a cop. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #170 November 26, 2011 QuoteLet me repeat myself: Kennedy said that about every police force in the world uses the same continuum. Your example from a single country doesn't rebut that, especially since you provide no evidence of *where* spray exists within the use of force continuum. QuoteI don't know if K. is a cop, probably not because he comes across as a total ignorant loud mouth that gets his info from wikipedia, but I'm pretty sure he shouldn't be a cop. You're looking more like the 'total ignorant loud mouth that gets his info from wikipedia' than he is.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #171 November 26, 2011 Quotebecause too many people are willing to look the other way Agreed. Recently I was stopped for a front-plate warning. Not one passing motorist came to my rescue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #172 November 26, 2011 QuoteQuotebecause too many people are willing to look the other way Agreed. Recently I was stopped for a front-plate warning. Not one passing motorist came to my rescue. Does state law require you to have a front plate?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #173 November 26, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotebecause too many people are willing to look the other way Agreed. Recently I was stopped for a front-plate warning. Not one passing motorist came to my rescue. Does state law require you to have a front plate? Yes ,but "Screw the Cops" doesn't go over well.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #174 November 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote because too many people are willing to look the other way Agreed. Recently I was stopped for a front-plate warning. Not one passing motorist came to my rescue. Does state law require you to have a front plate? Yes ,but "Screw the Cops" doesn't go over well. What about a "fuck the po-po" gimme hat? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #175 November 26, 2011 QuoteDoes state law require you to have a front plate? yes, but it's rarely enforced. My post was actually meant to be sarcastic. I suck at humor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
