cocheese 0 #1 November 15, 2011 I have been told that there are more people with guns in Michigan during deer hunting season than there are in all of the armed forces in the USA. Is this true and should we over-throw the government while we are here? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #2 November 15, 2011 Quote should we over-throw the government while we are here? Number of hunters is declining every year in MI. Not even enough anymore to keep the deer from eventually taking over. Then it will be a better world anyway. We're closer to extinction than they are--get some while you can. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #3 November 15, 2011 Quote I have been told that there are more people with guns in Michigan during deer hunting season than there are in all of the armed forces in the USA. I can believe that. There are only 1.5 million active duty military members. Texas has an annual deer harvest of about 400,000 animals. And that's just the hunters who successfully shot their game. There are many more out there who don't get a deer, or choose not to take a shot. There are 11 million deer hunters nationwide. So it's not hard to imagine the number of deer hunters in one state coming close to exceeding the number of servicemen. Pennsylvania has the most with 1.3 million. And enough venison has been donated to food kitchens this year to make 11 million meals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #4 November 15, 2011 QuoteI have been told that there are more people with guns in Michigan during deer hunting season than there are in all of the armed forces in the USA Don't know about just Michigan.... But, Wisconsin: 600,000 Pennsylvania : 750,000 Michigan: 700,000 West Virginia: 250,000 The total population of registered hunters in America today is between 23m to 43.7m. This is from the 2001 National Survey Of Fishing, Hunting and Wildlife-Related Recreation, which was based on the annual data provided by the United States Fish and Wildlife Service. Active military personnel 1,477,896, reserve 1,458,500 So, when people try to claim that an armed populace cannot possibly stand up to the US Army.... I like to point out: 1. 2,936,396 M active troops in ALL of the Armed forces and 23,000,000 hunters in the US. Yes, some of the hunters are active duty military. 2. Not every soldier will fire on US citizens. Not every troop will side with one side... They will be split. The Revolutionary war, only 40-45% supported separation from England. 25,000 Loyalists fought on the side of the British. Lets not forget that in the US civil war not all troops joined either one side. 3. A good number of FORMER soldiers are no longer in service. Some will side on one side, some will side on the other. 4. US troops will not automatically fire on civilians In fact, just like the recent overthrow in Egypt the govt tried to control through the military and for the most part the military did nothing against the civilians. And the civilians took up arms to defend themselves The presence of Egypt's Central Security Forces police, loyal to Mubarak, were gradually replaced by largely restrained military troops. In the absence of police, there was looting by gangs that opposition sources said were instigated by plainclothes police officers. In response, watch groups were organized by civilians to protect neighborhoods Fleishman, Jeffrey and Edmund Sanders (Los Angeles Times) (29 January 2011) 5. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan all proved to not be "easy" and the US forces have much greater firepower in each of these cases. So to claim that it is not possible is ignoring data and history. To claim that armed citizens would stand no chance is not very realistic given the examples cited above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
captain_stan 0 #5 November 15, 2011 Quotewhen people try to claim that an armed populace cannot possibly stand up to the US Army.... That's quite a lengthy post to rebut a claim that doesn't even appear in this thread. But while we're on the subject, it's worth pointing out: 1) There are way more gun owners that just deer hunters. Some of us own firearms, but don't hunt deer (I retired from that). 2) Some of the members of our armed forces are also counted as private gun owners--they probably won't shoot themselves. 3) The people who lately seem to be the most likely to act, those OWSies who have broken the law, don't fit the profile of gun ownership, responsible citizens that is. Edit to add: 4) There's no reason to think that America's founders had any other intention than an armed populace that could stand up to their government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,183 #6 November 15, 2011 Quote 4. US troops will not automatically fire on civilians Right... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #7 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuote4. US troops will not automatically fire on civilians Kent_State_massacre.jpg Right Providing one 40-year-old example to the contrary does not disprove the general statement. In fact, even your own example proves DaVinci correct, since only 29 out of 77 National Guardsmen opened fire, and even those that fired, fired only about two rounds each. And those that did shoot, did so in response to acts of arson and rock and bottle throwing, after being called in to help local police who were overwhelmed. DaVinci's not saying that no troops will ever fire on civilians, he's just saying that you can't presume that all of them would obey orders to do so, because many won't. Isn't your son in the Army? Are you accusing him of being willing to shoot innocent U.S. civilians? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,183 #8 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote4. US troops will not automatically fire on civilians Kent_State_massacre.jpg Right Providing one 40-year-old example to the contrary does not disprove the general statement. Fact is that within the lifetimes of many of us, US soldiers DID fire on unarmed civilian protesters.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 November 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote4. US troops will not automatically fire on civilians Kent_State_massacre.jpg Right Providing one 40-year-old example to the contrary does not disprove the general statement. Fact is that within the lifetimes of many of us, US soldiers DID fire on unarmed civilian protesters. Oh who cares... it's not like they were "people who matter". Like then.... like now... we are hearing the same lame excuses from those who "BELIEVE" they are the "people who matter" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #10 November 16, 2011 29 out of 77 troops fired. Which is to say 57 troops DIDN'T fire. 57>29... So you kinda proved MY point. Oh and Just five days after the shootings, 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C., against the war and the killing of unarmed student protesters. Again proving MY point again. A nice try however, better than normal from you... Still a massive failure, but better than normal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,183 #11 November 16, 2011 Quote 29 out of 77 troops fired. Which is to say 57 troops DIDN'T fire. 57>29... So you kinda proved MY point. Oh and Just five days after the shootings, 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C., against the war and the killing of unarmed student protesters. Again proving MY point again. A nice try however, better than normal from you... Still a massive failure, but better than normal. Maybe you should research the meaning of "automatically".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #12 November 21, 2011 Ya, guns for hunting are big up here in northern michigan...opening firearm season is considered a holiday in which the schools are closed. I've been away hunting for almost two weeks...opening day ususally sounds like a war zone around here but I think the moon phase kept the deer away this year. They'll probably be a little more active this week.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 November 21, 2011 Quote Quote 29 out of 77 troops fired. Which is to say 57 troops DIDN'T fire. 57>29... So you kinda proved MY point. Oh and Just five days after the shootings, 100,000 people demonstrated in Washington, D.C., against the war and the killing of unarmed student protesters. Again proving MY point again. A nice try however, better than normal from you... Still a massive failure, but better than normal. Maybe you should research the meaning of "automatically". Do you ever get the feeling that we have a bunch of people here who would cheer on another new and improved Gen. Dyer??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #14 November 21, 2011 QuoteAnd enough venison has been donated to food kitchens this year to make 11 million meals. Amen! Good on you brothers! Yo lefty causies...go pound freking salt! NO one wants tha vegan shit you are trying to make us eat!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
