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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-15642138

Mississippi residents have rejected a proposed constitutional amendment to define a fertilized human egg as a person.

The measure would have conferred rights on an embryo from the moment of conception, effectively outlawing abortion, even in rape or incest cases.

More than 55% of voters dismissed the so-called personhood initiative.

Mississippi already has tough abortion regulations and a single clinic that performs the procedure.

Correspondents say that even if the amendment had passed it would have faced legal challenges, as it contradicts the right to abortion established by the Roe v Wade Supreme Court ruling of 1973.

Voters on Tuesday were asked: "Should the term 'person' be defined to include every human being from the moment of fertilization, cloning, or the functional equivalent thereof?"

Backers of the amendment to the state's constitution had collected more than 100,000 signatures from registered voters to introduce it to the ballot.

Critics warn of major legal repercussions if an embryo is granted equal rights to its mother
The amendment could have also led to the banning of some birth control methods in Mississippi.

It had attracted strong support in the conservative and religious state.


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NOW.. if the FRIGHT WINGERS could just quit with the bat shit crazy... and come out with something resembling a way of EMPLOYING and FEEDING the Americans already here.. perhaps the country could move forward.. till then....its just more hypocrisy from the rePUBIClowns in their desire to control every last aspect of every PERSON HOODS life

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desire to control every last aspect of every PERSON HOODS life

Sounds like forced healthcare from obongo

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desire to control every last aspect of every PERSON HOODS life

Sounds like forced healthcare from obongo

Tsk Tsk Tsk..

Yall just cain't hep yerselfs cain ya

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control every last aspect of every PERSON HOODS life

Or perhaps guarantee that a person is not killed as a matter of convenience by his/her mother before he/she has a chance to have a life.

There are two sides to that coin, Amazon.

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In a repubkictard and I believe it's a woman's choice!! ooh take that:). I would rather a person do what they have to do rather than be raped and have someone criminals child, or get pregnant by some thug who runs away and won't support her possibly leaving them homeless and the mom tricking on the street for money. The problem in my state is babies raising babies and not passing on what parents should.

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Being a "person" isn't even an appropriate title for some of the a-hole adults I've met, so how does a zygote/embryo/fetus qualify?

Calling a fetus a "baby" is like calling an adult a "pre-deceased corpse"!

It's all been said before, no sense repeating it here.

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If they propose tha tlife starts at conception, when do taxes start?

We may have found a way to pay the debt.

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control every last aspect of every PERSON HOODS life

Or perhaps guarantee that a person is not killed as a matter of convenience by his/her mother before he/she has a chance to have a life.

There are two sides to that coin, Amazon.

I know you WANT to believe that... since it makes yall feel better.. but like so many things.... you have ZERO CLUE.. till its you having to make a very hard and dificult decision... and since its not YOUR body.... sorry.. you need to stay the fuck out of the decision making process... well except if you are conservative enough to take us back to the good old days where rape and slavery was the way it was done.

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I know you WANT to believe that... since it makes yall feel better.. but like so many things.... you have ZERO CLUE.. till its you having to make a very hard and dificult decision... and since its not YOUR body.... sorry.. you need to stay the fuck out of the decision making process... well except if you are conservative enough to take us back to the good old days where rape and slavery was the way it was done.

Sorry, but I do have a clue. So long as carrying the pregnancy to term is not going to put the life of the mother in danger and the pregnancy is not the result of rape or incest, I do not believe that abortion should be permitted. If the mother does not want the child, she is more than welcome to give him/her up for adoption since she did not want the child in the first place.

And while you are correct, it is not my body, it is MY child. If a woman (or anyone for that matter) kills my child, they best make sure I am far away first. Not that I envision having that issue... don't want kids? Keep it in your pants. Works pretty well for me.

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If a woman (or anyone for that matter) kills my child, they best make sure I am far away first. Not that I envision having that issue...

You really need some help dude..

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you have ZERO CLUE.. till its you having to make a very hard and dificult decision...

Why is it such a difficult decision?

I figured all these lame rationalizations would make it easier for a woman to violate her conscience...

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you have ZERO CLUE.. till its you having to make a very hard and dificult decision...

Why is it such a difficult decision?

I figured all these lame rationalizations would make it easier for a woman to violate her conscience...

Oh you mean like the decision.. where the "sperm donor" is incapable of any form of responsibility morally or financially???

That has only happened MILLIONS of times

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I know you WANT to believe that... since it makes yall feel better.. but like so many things.... you have ZERO CLUE.. till its you having to make a very hard and dificult decision... and since its not YOUR body.... sorry.. you need to stay the fuck out of the decision making process... well except if you are conservative enough to take us back to the good old days where rape and slavery was the way it was done.

Sorry, but I do have a clue. So long as carrying the pregnancy to term is not going to put the life of the mother in danger and the pregnancy is not the result of rape or incest, I do not believe that abortion should be permitted. If the mother does not want the child, she is more than welcome to give him/her up for adoption since she did not want the child in the first place.

And while you are correct, it is not my body, it is MY child. If a woman (or anyone for that matter) kills my child, they best make sure I am far away first. Not that I envision having that issue... don't want kids? Keep it in your pants. Works pretty well for me.

Oh SO you are one big stud... MILLIONS of women have to live up to your desire to be a control freak.... just to make you happy... get over yourself.

This is not the dark aqes.. where if you could get it in there for the big reproductive win... no matter HOW you manage to get it in. New rules.. even for those with archaic attitudes.

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you have ZERO CLUE.. till its you having to make a very hard and dificult decision...

Why is it such a difficult decision?

I figured all these lame rationalizations would make it easier for a woman to violate her conscience...

Oh you mean like the decision.. where the "sperm donor" is incapable of any form of responsibility morally or financially???

That has only happened MILLIONS of times

You mean the decision (except in cases of rape, but we've discussed that already...) the woman made to sleep with the "sperm donor?" If she isn't sure he is capable of being morally or financially responsible for the child, she shouldn't sleep with him...

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Oh SO you are one big studCrazyCrazy... MILLIONS of women have to live up to your desire to be a control freak.... just to make you happy... get over yourself.

This is not the dark aqes.. where if you could get it in there for the big reproductive win... no matter HOW you manage to get it in. New rules.. even for those with archaic attitudes.

Never said I was a big stud or my only desire was to create my progeny. I said if I did happen to get a woman pregnant, I believe that she has no right to kill my child simply because she doesn't want it. When you have sex you implicitly consent to the possibility of conceiving a child. It is time for people to take RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. If a woman does not want a child with a man, or a man does not want a child with the woman (or even if they do not necessarily want, but are unwilling to accept the possibility) they should not have sex.

It is quite a simple concept. You don't want kids? Don't have sex, you are 99.999999999999999999% guaranteed to not have kids.

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There are a few levels here as many people who do not "want" kids right then are still willing to accept them so here it is more detailed.

Absolutely 100% do not want kids and/or will have an abortion if you are pregnant - DON'T HAVE SEX

Don't want kids but are willing to accept the possibility - Use protection of some kind. Condoms, birth control, etc are all acceptable

Want kids - Have sex with no protection.

Figure out which category you fall into and take the appropriate action for how willing/able you are to have kids.

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You really did not read what the nuttier than a fruitcake RIGHT TO LIFERS in Mississippi... were proposing did you..mmm yeah... its damn near

Every Sperm is Sacred... birth control... uh huh.. NOPE... Personhood of the zygote trumps that..

OH and its nice to know that yet another RIGHT TO LIFER.... is willing to murder the woman because she disses you????


Hypocrisy much???

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You really did not read what the nuttier than a fruitcake RIGHT TO LIFERS in Mississippi... were proposing did you..mmm yeah... its damn near

Every Sperm is Sacred... birth control... uh huh.. NOPE... Personhood of the zygote trumps that..

OH and its nice to know that yet another RIGHT TO LIFER.... is willing to murder the woman because she disses you????


Hypocrisy much???

You don't mess with a man's kids. End of story.

If you killed a man's kid 1 day after it's born, hes going to kill you, no different than if you do it one day before its born...

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You really did not read what the nuttier than a fruitcake RIGHT TO LIFERS in Mississippi... were proposing did you..mmm yeah... its damn near

Every Sperm is Sacred... birth control... uh huh.. NOPE... Personhood of the zygote trumps that..

OH and its nice to know that yet another RIGHT TO LIFER.... is willing to murder the woman because she disses you????


Hypocrisy much???

You don't mess with a man's kids. End of story.

If you killed a man's kid 1 day after it's born, hes going to kill you, no different than if you do it one day before its born...

As I said... getting in there for the reproductive win ANY way they can... its a VERY old story...
Right to LIFE... right.... what a joke.

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If i was "in for the reproductive win" I wouldn't want to wait to get married before I have sex.

Was with a girl for about 4 years, never had sex - not because we didn't want to, but because we knew that we were not ready, emotionally or financially, to have kids yet, and the risk of having a kid was not worth it.

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you know, there's things like condoms, the pill, shots, implants, diaphragma's and i dont know what else.. but of course, you hadnt had anything like that in the dark ages..

oh, and sex is fun! you should try it some time, maybe it would loosen up your tight sphincter..

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If i was "in for the reproductive win" I wouldn't want to wait to get married before I have sex.

Was with a girl for about 4 years, never had sex - not because we didn't want to, but because we knew that we were not ready, emotionally or financially, to have kids yet, and the risk of having a kid was not worth it.

What century are you from again?

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you have ZERO CLUE.. till its you having to make a very hard and dificult decision...

Why is it such a difficult decision?

I figured all these lame rationalizations would make it easier for a woman to violate her conscience...

Oh you mean like the decision.. where the "sperm donor" is incapable of any form of responsibility morally or financially???

That has only happened MILLIONS of times

Ya, and you don't see society giving deadbeats hearty approval and a pat on the back for their lack of moral obligation...and they didn't even kill anybody.

The pressure from negative public opinion can go a long way in giving some of these kids a shot at life like they deserve...and guess what, that opinion doesn't force anybody to do anything, imagine that.

Being pro-choice doesn't mean you have to encourage abortion.

But back to my question...Why is it such a hard and difficult decision?

You and your ilk are the ones making all these lame rationalizations:

It's only a meaningless mass of dividing cells.

It's like cancer.

A fetus is not alive.

A fetus is not human.

Late term abortion? So what, it can't survive on it's own.

If this is case, what is so hard and difficult about the decision?

Personally I think it's because deep down a mother knows these are lame rationalizations and that all they're really doing is searing their conscience to the point that they'll finally feel justified in thier own heart to do something they know is wrong, and continue to develop this disconnect till they become sooo comfortably numb they're finally able to sleep at night.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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The pressure from negative public opinion can go a long way in giving some of these kids a shot at life like they deserve...

...what is so hard and difficult about the decision?

Personally I think it's because deep down a mother knows these are lame rationalizations and that all they're really doing is searing their conscience to the point that they'll finally feel justified in thier own heart to do something they know is wrong, and continue to develop this disconnect till they become sooo comfortably numb they're finally able to sleep at night.

I think you, and many people before you, misidentify the source of said "deep down" information. I think the "pressure from negative public opinion" put that information there. Pressure put on by people who have conjured up a stake in a woman's personal business out of thin air, because it allows them to feel moral gratification without having to do anything themselves besides be angry at other people.

History has shown you can make people feel good or bad about doing anything if you repeat something to them enough times, especially if you start at any early age. That's what these people are counting on or else they wouldn't keep putting these initiatives on the ballot cycle after cycle, failure after failure.

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Being pro-choice doesn't mean you have to encourage abortion. But back to my question...Why is it such a hard and difficult decision? You and your ilk are the ones making all these lame rationalizations:

It's only a meaningless mass of dividing cells. It's like cancer. A fetus is not alive. A fetus is not human. Late term abortion? So what, it can't survive on it's own.

A zygote is not a meaningless mass of dividing cells, nor is it substantially like cancer. A fetus is alive and it is human. And extremely late term fetuses could very well survive on their own. Anyone of the "ilk" making those arguments doesn't speak for me, so personally I consider those all straw men.

However... neither a zygote nor a fetus is a person. There is a difference between something being "alive" and something being "a life" (i.e. an individual/person/citizen with rights and so forth.) As I've written and elaborated on before, defining something to be "a life" starting at conception is not in touch with the reality of the reproductive process. Drawing other lines in the sand between conception and birth is more defensible, but still ultimately silly.

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...and guess what, that opinion doesn't force anybody to do anything, imagine that.

Holding an opinion is certainly one thing, trying to get definitions that are completely out of touch with reality written into your state constitution (and the constitutions of other states) is something else.

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remove the fetus from it's womb and see for how long it survives.. a zygote is only alive as long its mothers wants it to be - it's up to the mother!

“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda

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you know, there's things like condoms, the pill, shots, implants, diaphragma's and i dont know what else.. but of course, you hadnt had anything like that in the dark ages..

oh, and sex is fun! you should try it some time, maybe it would loosen up your tight sphincter..

All of those things can and do fail. The last thing that either of us needed at the time was a kid, with her having 2 years and me having 3 years of engineering school left.

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>If you killed a man's kid 1 day after it's born, hes going to kill you, no
>different than if you do it one day before its born...

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Literally true. And in both cases you go to jail for the rest of your life as a murderer. There are plenty of murderers out there, so it's not that unique a case.