rushmc 23
winsor 236
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You need to find your stomach
Some new news sources would not hurt either
I get as much input as I need/can stand.
While getting dressed this morning, various candidates on the teevee synopsis expounded on their view of "waterboarding."
Once a candidate has spoken out in favor of torture, I am uninterested in anything else they may have to say. As far as I am concerned, they are unfit for elective office of any kind (at the very least).
BSBD,
Winsor
IF waterboarding was torture you would have a point
Also
I watch NO tv news anymore
Anyone who contends that waterboarding is not torture is cordially invited to personally undergo a session or two.
I am sure that will reassure them of what a harmless, pleasant experience it is.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteAgain
You need to find your stomach
Some new news sources would not hurt either
I get as much input as I need/can stand.
While getting dressed this morning, various candidates on the teevee synopsis expounded on their view of "waterboarding."
Once a candidate has spoken out in favor of torture, I am uninterested in anything else they may have to say. As far as I am concerned, they are unfit for elective office of any kind (at the very least).
BSBD,
Winsor
IF waterboarding was torture you would have a point
Also
I watch NO tv news anymore
Anyone who contends that waterboarding is not torture is cordially invited to personally undergo a session or two.
I am sure that will reassure them of what a harmless, pleasant experience it is.
didnt say it was pleant
Just ask our SEALS
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,120
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And your one warning. Cut it out.
pirana 0
QuoteHe doesn't seem to have any sort of glamor quotient; without that, in our current media-driven culture, he's not going to get very far.
He's not angry (and angry people are much in favor with people who are feeling dispossessed), and he's not fresh (Herman Cain does have freshness going for him).
Personally, I'd like to see him as a higher-profile candidate. But that's clearly not going to happen.
Wendy P.
Very on the money. The huddled masses are really into glamour, celebrity, sound bites, looking good, angry shouting, their 15 seconds of fame, and so on. Short term is everything - long term is a concept quickly vanishing from society.
Whilst recovering from a minor injury I recently spent a week on the couch. I always wondered what was on those 300 channels. What I found was a very interesting insight (I think) into our social fabric.
By far, the most common form of entertainment is what I call Combat TV. They take 2 or more people, give them something to do (cook, fix up a house, travel, play a game, swap houses, tell their life story, go fishing, drive a truck, etc.), make sure to plant the seeds for disagreement, then stand back and film the arguements and fights.
REALLY! This is what tops the list of ways more citizens entertain themselves than any other?
Don't tell me it is "just TV." It's the number one activity for the average US citizen after sleeping and working. It is a mirror that most stare at constantly, but never manage to see themselves.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
pirana 0
QuoteWhy doesn't he seem to get much attention? He "seems" to this foreigner to be educated, articulate, versed in foreign-policy, with middle-ground economic ideas.
You are seriously out of touch with the average US citizen's criteria for giving their vote.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
ryoder 1,590
Quote
IF waterboarding was torture you would have a point
So how many times have you been waterboarded?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0&t=1m30s
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
IF waterboarding was torture you would have a point
So how many times have you been waterboarded?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoqmH49VBC0&t=1m30s
Never
Dont plan to do something so stupid I deserve it
at this time anyway
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
ryoder 1,590
QuoteJust ask our SEALS
And they say it is torture.
Try again.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteJust ask our SEALS
And they say it is torture.
Try again.
Are you saying they are not waterboarded during their training?
Try again
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
ryoder 1,590
QuoteQuoteQuoteJust ask our SEALS
And they say it is torture.
Try again.
Are you saying they are not waterboarded during their training?
Try again
Apparently you did not look at the video of a former SEAL stating that waterboarding is torture.
"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.
pirana 0
QuoteI am old enough to remember a SANE .....Republican Party.. that was capable of governing our country to prosperity.
They got addicted to the personal benefits they received from a healthy economy and lost sight of the good of the whole. Basically, they got richer (as everyone did) during the good times, but got greedy and refused to retool as the world economy changed. Rather than act for the good of the whole (even if it was an unitneded consequence to begin with), they took actions to ensure their stream of wealth remain unchecked and have allowed all of the adjustments necessary under a globalized economy to fall on the shoulders of the middle and lower classes.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust ask our SEALS
And they say it is torture.
Try again.
Are you saying they are not waterboarded during their training?
Try again
Apparently you did not look at the video of a former SEAL stating that waterboarding is torture.
So we "torture" our own.
How smart is that?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
pirana 0
QuoteSmaller government
Adhering to the Constitution
Less taxes
Less regulation
Not to be interpreted as no government
No regulation
No taxes
Not sure if we need less taxes and regulation - but we definitely need to do those things differently. At least for now, any recovery is going to require more tax revenue - so maybe something temporary. Anybody that thinks we will get out of this without at least a temporary increase in tax revenues does not understand the depth of the hole we are in.
Don't forget that reduction of taxes and regulation are 2 of the factors that led to this mess.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteSmaller government
Adhering to the Constitution
Less taxes
Less regulation
Not to be interpreted as no government
No regulation
No taxes
Not sure if we need less taxes and regulation - but we definitely need to do those things differently. At least for now, any recovery is going to require more tax revenue - so maybe something temporary. Anybody that thinks we will get out of this without at least a temporary increase in tax revenues does not understand the depth of the hole we are in.
Don't forget that reduction of taxes and regulation are 2 of the factors that led to this mess.
I FULLY understand the hole we are in
More revenue is needed but raising taxes is less than a temp tactic to rasing said dollars
And I disagree with your premise that reduction of taxes and regulation caused the mess we are in
Anybody who says that regulations are less are fooling themselves
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
pirana 0
QuoteRon Paul is too honest. I have a problem with someone running for office that will say the undeniable truths that are sure to keep them out of office. I will probably vote for him anyway, since holding my nose to vote for someone else just does not cut it.
I am leaning to him for now - mostly because of his apparent honesty. If we were more desparate (that is if at least the simple majority of citizens realized everyone else is either incompetent or afraid to speak the truth and we were truly on the verge of collapse), more people would probably pay attention. Perhaps when unemployment hits 20%, when rationing kicks in for the middle class while people with capital keep getting richer, or another dolt of a President starts another war everyone will wake thew fuck up.
I think things are going to get much worse before they get better, because in an ironic twist, nobody is going to go for real change until the implosion is well under way. Only then will they realize their favorite talking head was full of shit all along. Let's hope it is not too late.
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteRon Paul is too honest. I have a problem with someone running for office that will say the undeniable truths that are sure to keep them out of office. I will probably vote for him anyway, since holding my nose to vote for someone else just does not cut it.
I am leaning to him for now - mostly because of his apparent honesty. If we were more desparate (that is if at least the simple majority of citizens realized everyone else is either incompetent or afraid to speak the truth and we were truly on the verge of collapse), more people would probably pay attention. Perhaps when unemployment hits 20%, when rationing kicks in for the middle class while people with capital keep getting richer, or another dolt of a President starts another war everyone will wake thew fuck up.
I think things are going to get much worse before they get better, because in an ironic twist, nobody is going to go for real change until the implosion is well under way. Only then will they realize their favorite talking head was full of shit all along. Let's hope it is not too late.
I too would vote for Paul
I too hope it is not too late
And i still say the biggest enemy today of our way of life is the media
Should then ever decide to report the truth instead of their aganda, I feel the people would make the corrects votes
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Amazon 7
QuoteQuoteAgain
You need to find your stomach
Some new news sources would not hurt either
I get as much input as I need/can stand.
While getting dressed this morning, various candidates on the teevee synopsis expounded on their view of "waterboarding."
Once a candidate has spoken out in favor of torture, I am uninterested in anything else they may have to say. As far as I am concerned, they are unfit for elective office of any kind (at the very least).
BSBD,
Winsor
IF waterboarding was torture you would have a point
Also
I watch NO tv news anymore
It really is too bad that you never got to serve in any capacity where you could have experienced just a few seconds of what you are dont know squat about.. so you could KNOW just what the fuck you are actually talking about.
Amazon 7
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteJust ask our SEALS
And they say it is torture.
Try again.
Are you saying they are not waterboarded during their training?
Try again
Apparently you did not look at the video of a former SEAL stating that waterboarding is torture.
So we "torture" our own.
How smart is that?
If you understood what resistance training as part of SERE....
Never mind.... Stick with your funny little ideas from the EIB and the doper in chief.
pirana 0
QuoteI FULLY understand the hole we are in
More revenue is needed but raising taxes is less than a temp tactic to rasing said dollars
And I disagree with your premise that reduction of taxes and regulation caused the mess we are in
Anybody who says that regulations are less are fooling themselves
We are about 3 years of after-tax-income in debt. IOW, every working citizen would need to donate 100% of their paycheck to reducing the debt, for a full 3 years, before we get to even. I know, even is not the goal, but just to make the point.
We are about $18 trillion in debt, and are nowhere near balancing the budget (adding about $2 trillion to the debt annually), with a GDP of about $15 trillion. This is a staggering inbalance. It is going to take major concessions from all angles - more taxes, less spending, personal sacrifice up and down the ladder. Any angle ignored (or considered untouchable) will mean more is needed from another.
The only thing holding up our demise right now is that no one other state is all that powerful . . . yet. That won't last much longer though, and when other nations start seeing other currencies as more valuable than dollars - the real implosion will begin.
Reducing taxes and certain specific regulations (sorry for not being that specific earlier) certainly were factors, but yes, not the lone causes. There may be more overall regulation today (I don't know), but it is seriously lacking in certain business areas (banking/finance?).
" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley
I get as much input as I need/can stand.
While getting dressed this morning, various candidates on the teevee synopsis expounded on their view of "waterboarding."
Once a candidate has spoken out in favor of torture, I am uninterested in anything else they may have to say. As far as I am concerned, they are unfit for elective office of any kind (at the very least).
BSBD,
Winsor
IF waterboarding was torture you would have a point
Also
I watch NO tv news anymore
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln