popsjumper 2 #26 November 2, 2011 Quote Even many Dutch folks still dislike Germans - after all these years .... And many Germans dislike Americans after all those.....ummmm....never mind. We bring it on ourselves. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #27 November 2, 2011 Quote Quote Even many Dutch folks still dislike Germans - after all these years .... And many Germans dislike Americans after all those.....ummmm....never mind. We bring it on ourselves. Oh babe - you know, how much we love you .... dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #28 November 2, 2011 QuoteEven many Dutch folks still dislike Germans after all these years I doubt if that's still true. Where I live people have no issues with Germans. It probably helps that I live a couple of miles from the German border, but I don't get the impression the Dutch are very Germanophobic. Many of the oldies are still butt-hurt about WW II, I think, but the younger generations aren't bothered by it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 November 2, 2011 Oh, I'm a Greek sailor, I sail o'er the world, I go many a month without seeing a girl. It don't bother me, so don't give me no lip, For I am good "friends" with the men on my ship. Chorus: Bend over Greek sailor, bend over for me, I need satisfaction so get on your knees, Bend over Greek sailor, bend over for me, For I get so lonely when I go to sea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #30 November 2, 2011 Quote Quote Even many Dutch folks still dislike Germans after all these years I doubt if that's still true. Where I live people have no issues with Germans. It probably helps that I live a couple of miles from the German border, but I don't get the impression the Dutch are very Germanophobic. Many of the oldies are still butt-hurt about WW II, I think, but the younger generations aren't bothered by it. It's true. I've been in NL many times, skyding, meeting friends - even young skydivers showed some kind of rejection. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #31 November 2, 2011 Germany makes the best cars (Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc, etc, etc) and Greece only makes ... hmmm ... let me think about this for a second. Exactly what does Greece make again? Ouzo? and bad hangovers? Well at least Greece has some nice beaches to kick back on while the rest of Europe pays through the nose for Greece's lack of a will to pay for itself. Oh silly me Greece does make some tasty food to fatten yourself up on as you drink Ouzo on the beach waiting for the rest of Europe to pay your way through life. Hmmm ... maybe I should emigrate to Greece, just as long as I can drive my German car? Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #32 November 2, 2011 Quote Germany makes the best cars (Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Audi, etc, etc, etc) and Greece only makes ... hmmm ... let me think about this for a second. Exactly what does Greece make again? Ouzo? and bad hangovers? Well at least Greece has some nice beaches to kick back on while the rest of Europe pays through the nose for Greece's lack of a will to pay for itself. Oh silly me Greece does make some tasty food to fatten yourself up on as you drink Ouzo on the beach waiting for the rest of Europe to pay your way through life. Hmmm ... maybe I should emigrate to Greece, just as long as I can drive my German car? And that means what .... ???? dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #33 November 2, 2011 It means Germany is productive while Greece isn't (something I am sure you already knew). Never mind ... Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmkellett 0 #34 November 2, 2011 A few weeks ago I was lucky enough to meet through my work the retired NATO ambassador to the UN. ( He had also been ambassador to Pakistan ). He was Dutch. A remarkable guy. I had a frank conversation with him about the current troubles. It was very interesting to hear the REAL reasons the EU / Single Currency / NATO membership for eastern European countries.... HE basically said that during the 60's 70's 80's the fear was Warsaw pact expansion. The above was rolled out as it was decided that as many DIFFERENT ways of combating Red Russia as possible should be used to minimise the possibility of expansion west. ALL other considerations were way down the list. ( ie can inherently corrupt nations integrate into non corrupt ones.. ) Well guess what : we won the cold war. The fallout is not nuclear winter though. ..... Its economic meltdown. He said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! So what we are left with is nations that should NEVER have been integrated economically with the northern european area causing the meltdown of the whole thing. He added that my simplistic gut response of " Let 'em go ! let the single currency collapse ! " was too narrow minded, infact it may seem the obvious thing but Germany would be screwed if it goes as the Mark would be worth MANY times the value of the Euro and so German products would jump in price to the point of not selling overnight if the Euro collapses. Germany has benefited greatly by the euro. A very interesting conversation... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #35 November 2, 2011 QuoteIt's true. I've been in NL many times, skyding, meeting friends - even young skydivers showed some kind of rejection. Is it very specific anti-German sentiment? And does it take the form of humour, or is it more hateful than that? Dutch people are very direct in their way of communicating with others, and that's often mistaken for deliberate rudeness and/or bluntness. It doesn't really help that we aren't very politically correct either.... Personally I don't see a lot of hatred towards Germans, but then again, I live near the border. Border dwellers are often more tolerant in my experience... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #36 November 3, 2011 look, if we built this large wooden badger..."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #37 November 3, 2011 QuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Rule" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP wants the USA to go the way of Greece.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Plan" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP want the USA to go the way of Greece. As opposed to the *ACTUAL* "I won't pay more unless gov't forces me to" Buffett rule?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #39 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Plan" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP want the USA to go the way of Greece. As opposed to the *ACTUAL* "I won't pay more unless gov't forces me to" Buffett rule? Maybe if Greece and Italy didn't rely on voluntary taxation they would be in better fiscal shape. Can you name a single country where voluntary taxation has worked?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #40 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Plan" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP want the USA to go the way of Greece. As opposed to the *ACTUAL* "I won't pay more unless gov't forces me to" Buffett rule? Maybe if Greece and Italy didn't rely on voluntary taxation they would be in better fiscal shape. Can you name a single country where voluntary taxation has worked? I must have missed where the OPTION to voluntarily donate replaces any tax owed on the 1040....can you point that out for us, pray tell?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #41 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Plan" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP want the USA to go the way of Greece. As opposed to the *ACTUAL* "I won't pay more unless gov't forces me to" Buffett rule? Maybe if Greece and Italy didn't rely on voluntary taxation they would be in better fiscal shape. Can you name a single country where voluntary taxation has worked? I must have missed where the OPTION to voluntarily donate replaces any tax owed on the 1040....can you point that out for us, pray tell? So you can't name a single country where it works. Thought not.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 November 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Plan" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP want the USA to go the way of Greece. As opposed to the *ACTUAL* "I won't pay more unless gov't forces me to" Buffett rule? Maybe if Greece and Italy didn't rely on voluntary taxation they would be in better fiscal shape. Can you name a single country where voluntary taxation has worked? I must have missed where the OPTION to voluntarily donate replaces any tax owed on the 1040....can you point that out for us, pray tell? So you can't name a single country where it works. Thought not. So you can't show where the voluntary donation takes the place of taxes owed to make your comparison valid? Thought not.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #43 November 3, 2011 Quote Quote will get his teeth new arranged That's one of England's most dire needs. Give us dental care and we'll give you elocution lessons (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #44 November 3, 2011 Quote Quote Quote will get his teeth new arranged That's one of England's most dire needs. Give us dental care and we'll give you elocution lessons Don't you think your lot needs to learn how to pronounce the letter "h", first? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #45 November 3, 2011 Bwhaa cheers Mike but I believe that we have that covered - at least where I come from .. it's those lazy buggers down south that that appear to 'ave a problem with the letter 'ayech (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #46 January 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Plan" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP want the USA to go the way of Greece. As opposed to the *ACTUAL* "I won't pay more unless gov't forces me to" Buffett rule? UPDATE: Warren Buffett has pledged to match 1 for 1 all such voluntary contributions made by Republican members of Congress. “And I’ll even go 3 for 1 for McConnell,” he says. That could be quite a bill if McConnell takes the challenge; after all, the Senator is worth at least $10 million. As Buffett put it to me, “I’m not worried.” Read more: swampland.time.com/2012/01/11/warren-buffett-to-mitch-mcconnell-put-up-or-shut-up/#ixzz1jD7M9K18... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 January 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHe said that fundamentally anywhere south of the Trento Valley in Northern Italy / Southern Austria is corrupt. Also paying income tax south of here is a " Lifestyle " choice. pay if you want to, don't if you don't ! . Hmmm, sounds like the GOP's "Buffett Plan" for voluntary taxation here. I guess the GOP want the USA to go the way of Greece. As opposed to the *ACTUAL* "I won't pay more unless gov't forces me to" Buffett rule? UPDATE: Warren Buffett has pledged to match 1 for 1 all such voluntary contributions made by Republican members of Congress. “And I’ll even go 3 for 1 for McConnell,” he says. That could be quite a bill if McConnell takes the challenge; after all, the Senator is worth at least $10 million. As Buffett put it to me, “I’m not worried.” Read more: swampland.time.com/2012/01/11/warren-buffett-to-mitch-mcconnell-put-up-or-shut-up/#ixzz1jD7M9K18 So he's *still* not putting his money where his mouth is?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #48 January 12, 2012 QuoteQuote UPDATE: Warren Buffett has pledged to match 1 for 1 all such voluntary contributions made by Republican members of Congress. “And I’ll even go 3 for 1 for McConnell,” he says. That could be quite a bill if McConnell takes the challenge; after all, the Senator is worth at least $10 million. As Buffett put it to me, “I’m not worried.” Read more: swampland.time.com/2012/01/11/warren-buffett-to-mitch-mcconnell-put-up-or-shut-up/#ixzz1jD7M9K18 So he's *still* not putting his money where his mouth is? well, it appears he made a binding offer here, and has no takers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #49 January 12, 2012 Quote well, it appears he made a binding offer here, and has no takers. If it's so important to him, why doesn't he break out his own checkbook?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #50 January 12, 2012 That's leadership. He'll do it - match it, even. But not until people who are philosophically opposed to doing it do it first. What's next? Limbaugh saying he'll enlist in the Army is barbara Boxer does it first? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
