rhaig 0 #1 November 1, 2011 http://www.wyff4.com/r/29638219/detail.html QuoteSheriff Chuck Wright opened his news conference by saying, "Our form of justice is not making it." He said, "Carry a concealed weapon. That'll fix it." my favorite from the article: Wright said in his view, gun control is, "Is when you can get your barrel back on the target quick. That’s gun control."-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #2 November 1, 2011 Quotehttp://www.wyff4.com/r/29638219/detail.html QuoteSheriff Chuck Wright opened his news conference by saying, "Our form of justice is not making it." He said, "Carry a concealed weapon. That'll fix it." my favorite from the article: Wright said in his view, gun control is, "Is when you can get your barrel back on the target quick. That’s gun control." Dead rapists don't rape. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #3 November 1, 2011 "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #4 November 1, 2011 Quote"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein Except in. . . Iran, Iraq, Djobouti, Kenya, Entretria, Somalia, Ivory Coast, Mali, Sudan, Lebanon, Phillipine Islands, Indonesia, Russia, Afghanistan, krygrystan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Syria, Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, Sometimes Belize. . . ._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #5 November 1, 2011 Quote "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein Heinlein wasn't a political scientist; he was a science fiction writer. Besides which, guns don't say please and thank-you; people do. quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #6 November 1, 2011 Oh, I forgot Uganda. Very polite people to work with. Friendly, sociable. . . That "well armed citizen" quote is very silly. It's not true. It pays attention to the weapons, not the people who bear it. Any idiot can buy weapons and claim themselves "defenders of the freedom to bear arms" and "protection from the government". But it takes Honor, Sacrifice, Dicipline, Training and the willing to risk all to be a useful protector of the people or rights one believes to protect._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 November 1, 2011 QuoteOh, I forgot Uganda. Very polite people to work with. Friendly, sociable. . . That "well armed citizen" quote is very silly. It's not true. It pays attention to the weapons, not the people who bear it. Really? So he was *actually* talking about the *weapons* having manners and backing up their acts and not people? QuoteAny idiot can buy weapons and claim themselves "defenders of the freedom to bear arms" and "protection from the government". But it takes Honor, Sacrifice, Dicipline, Training and the willing to risk all to be a useful protector of the people or rights one believes to protect. Nice...unfortunately, the quote isn't referring to people being 'defenders of the public weal', so your argument is invalid.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #8 November 1, 2011 Quote"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein If Heinlein was right, that'd actually be a fantastic argument against concealed carry.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EppyNephrine 0 #9 November 1, 2011 QuoteExcept in. . . Iran, Iraq, Djobouti, Kenya, Entretria, Somalia, Ivory Coast, Mali, Sudan, Lebanon, Phillipine Islands, Indonesia, Russia, Afghanistan, krygrystan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Syria, Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, Sometimes Belize. . . . I think the second half of the quote is the more valuable pearl of wisdom. "Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life" Perhaps our judicial penalties are too lax. Think about it: for violently raping a woman in America, you might have to spend a few years of your life in a warm cell where you are clothed and fed. Probably no jail time if you are rich. Whereas in some of the countries you listed, one could get their hands chopped off just for running a stop sign or saying the wrong thing to someone. I wonder how high their crime rates are.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #10 November 1, 2011 QuoteI wonder how high their crime rates are... Still pretty high, would be my guess.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #11 November 1, 2011 QuoteQuote"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein If Heinlein was right, that'd actually be a fantastic argument against concealed carry. When I'm carrying concealed, am I not "armed"?? You seem to imply such.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #12 November 1, 2011 Quotehttp://www.wyff4.com/r/29638219/detail.html QuoteSheriff Chuck Wright opened his news conference by saying, "Our form of justice is not making it." He said, "Carry a concealed weapon. That'll fix it." my favorite from the article: Wright said in his view, gun control is, "Is when you can get your barrel back on the target quick. That’s gun control." The man realizes his shortcomings.. and who they are REALLLY there to protect and serve.... and that is not MOST of the people in the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #13 November 1, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein If Heinlein was right, that'd actually be a fantastic argument against concealed carry. When I'm carrying concealed, am I not "armed"?? You seem to imply such. I do not imply such. For an armed society to make people more polite, the citizens in that society would need to fear that any slight or offence, real or perceived, they give may be met with the use of said arms. I don't know about you, but I think it's probably a good thing that we don't tend to fight duels anymore.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #14 November 1, 2011 Quote For an armed society to make people more polite, the citizens in that society would need to fear that any slight or offence, real or perceived, they give may be met with the use of said arms. I believe that those who carry said arms (myself included) understand that minor infractions of politeness do not warrant use of deadly force. In fact, most states outline what permits use of force and deadly force. (in TX, it's in section 9 of the state penal code) Quote I don't know about you, but I think it's probably a good thing that we don't tend to fight duels anymore. most of the time I agree, but when I see a few certain people on this forum going back and forth with veiled personal attacks, sometimes I just wish they'd settle it single-shot style.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #15 November 1, 2011 Quote The man realizes his shortcomings.. and who they are REALLLY there to protect and serve.... and that is not MOST of the people in the country. police don't protect anymore. They respond to calls, and investigate complaints. (oh yeah, and write speeding tickets)-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #16 November 1, 2011 When you take the responsibility to be armed, you give up the luxury of defending your honor.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #17 November 1, 2011 Quote Quote "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein Except in. . . Iran, Iraq, Djobouti, Kenya, Entretria, Somalia, Ivory Coast, Mali, Sudan, Lebanon, Phillipine Islands, Indonesia, Russia, Afghanistan, krygrystan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Syria, Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, Sometimes Belize. . . . It would be a good argument, except that spending a lot of time on the ground in those countries I can tell you that it's still armed bullies against the unarmed general public. If you could arm, train and organize the general public, the corrupt armed militias would probably go away. But that would take time, blood, and resources from Team America, world police. And all that would happen in the end would be the U.S. being accused of empire building puppet states around the world..."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #18 November 1, 2011 QuoteQuote For an armed society to make people more polite, the citizens in that society would need to fear that any slight or offence, real or perceived, they give may be met with the use of said arms. I believe that those who carry said arms (myself included) understand that minor infractions of politeness do not warrant use of deadly force. In fact, most states outline what permits use of force and deadly force. (in TX, it's in section 9 of the state penal code) Like I said, if Heinlein was right.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #19 November 2, 2011 Quote Quote "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein Heinlein wasn't a political scientist; he was a science fiction writer. Besides which, guns don't say please and thank-you; people do. When I was 14 I had just gotten home from School (I was alone) when a few minutes later I answered a knock at the door and this guy started to force his way in. We struggled for a bit and he fell one way and I fell another. I was able to jump up and retrieve my 30-30. He was on his way back to my room when I aimed straight into his face. He POLITELY" stopped and "POLITELY" ran away. Neither of us said a word. The message was very clear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #20 November 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein Except in. . . Iran, Iraq, Djobouti, Kenya, Entretria, Somalia, Ivory Coast, Mali, Sudan, Lebanon, Phillipine Islands, Indonesia, Russia, Afghanistan, krygrystan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan, Syria, Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, Sometimes Belize. . . . It would be a good argument, except that spending a lot of time on the ground in those countries I can tell you that it's still armed bullies against the unarmed general public. Some of those citizens are armed, especially in the more rural areas of Iraq, not that it would matter. For instance, the Jaysh Amadi, couldn't care less and are not so polite to their neighbors. To me, this shows that criminals will not respect a "well armed citizenry" as some would like to believe. Everyone armed will just make the criminals change tactics. In the end, it will be the same: the police will protect overall society. A person with a CCW finding himself alone with a pair of armed assholes will not get the upper hand. Quote If you could arm, train and organize the general public, the corrupt armed militias would probably go away. But that would take time, blood, and resources from Team America, world police. And all that would happen in the end would be the U.S. being accused of empire building puppet states around the world... We did try in Somalia in '93. The Marines under General Zinni was doing a good job with Aideed in Mogadishu. Then the U. N. took over with their progam and destroyed all that work and later led up to that "blackhawk down" incident. So fucked up the UN tactics, that the new UN cadre found Aideed acting in "self defense", even to the side of almost "not guilty"._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LongWayToFall 0 #21 November 2, 2011 That is a scary story!!! Boy I am glad that at your age, you were comfortable with and trained to use that 30-30... You never hear these kinds of stories... Sort of like you never hear about car crashes. The shootings, like plane crashes, are all over the news because that is what people want to hear about... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #22 November 2, 2011 QuoteA person with a CCW finding himself alone with a pair of armed assholes will not get the upper hand. Perhaps...but on the one hand, I'm a pretty quick shot...on the other hand, I could have another gun, pardon the pun.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #23 November 2, 2011 QuoteThat is a scary story!!! Boy I am glad that at your age, you were comfortable with and trained to use that 30-30... You never hear these kinds of stories... Sort of like you never hear about car crashes. The shootings, like plane crashes, are all over the news because that is what people want to hear about... When I was 9 I got curious about guns and wanted one. My father was a wise man. He helped me approach it safely. He bought me a pellet rifle and taught me safe handling and shooting. By the time I was 14 I had a 12ga single shot, .22 and the 30-30. I respected them and didn't play with them. I had my little collection on a rack on my bedroom wall. Unfortunately gun violence gets the lead story and the front page of the newspaper. I think people like sensational stories so the media fills that void. The problem I see is the stories only sensationalize criminal violence. Rarely, if ever, do you hear in the news about J.Q. Citizen stopping violent assaults with a firearm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
firemedic 7 #24 November 2, 2011 Everyone armed will just make the criminals change tactics. In the end, it will be the same: the police will protect overall society. A person with a CCW finding himself alone with a pair of armed assholes will not get the upper hand. I believe you have made a good point about criminals changing tactics. They know that citizens are carrying guns and they have been more careful to target those they know are not likely to be armed. I believe the police protect us as best they can but they rarely intervene to prevent violence. The vast majority of their work is dealing with the aftermath. A CCW who simply finds himself/herself alone with a pair of armed assholes did not do a good job of preparing themselves for that eventuality. Being vigilant and mentally prepared at all times is essential for everyone but especially a CCW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #25 November 2, 2011 Quote Quote Quote "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein Heinlein wasn't a political scientist; he was a science fiction writer. Besides which, guns don't say please and thank-you; people do. When I was 14 I had just gotten home from School (I was alone) when a few minutes later I answered a knock at the door and this guy started to force his way in. We struggled for a bit and he fell one way and I fell another. I was able to jump up and retrieve my 30-30. He was on his way back to my room when I aimed straight into his face. He POLITELY" stopped and "POLITELY" ran away. Neither of us said a word. The message was very clear. You gave that guy a good lesson in 'courtesy'! Great job on your part. Glad it worked-out the way it did. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
