Coreece 190
QuoteCan you please explain to me what this means?
Every time the clergy have tried to explain it to me, it was apparent that they were referring to their church.
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QuoteCan you please explain to me what this means?
Essentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself. Why that's helpful is beyond me.
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Coreece 190
QuoteEssentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself.
No, just relying on your imperfection...are you perfect?
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Coreece 190
Just be happy your success hasn't lead to this.....yet.
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Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
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QuoteQuoteEssentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself.
No, just relying on your imperfection...
Nonsense.
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Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteEssentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself.
No, just relying on your imperfection...
Nonsense.
How so...are you perfect?
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEssentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself.
No, just relying on your imperfection...
Nonsense.
How so...are you perfect?
Nobody is. That doesn't mean your statement has any truth to it. It's still nonsense.
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Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEssentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself.
No, just relying on your imperfection...
Nonsense.
How so...are you perfect?
Nobody is. That doesn't mean your statement has any truth to it. It's still nonsense.
Well so is yours...nobody is giving up on themselves.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEssentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself.
No, just relying on your imperfection...
Nonsense.
How so...are you perfect?
Nobody is. That doesn't mean your statement has any truth to it. It's still nonsense.
Well so is yours...nobody is giving up on themselves.
Certainly they are. If you "surrender to a higher power" you've absolutely given up on the idea you can beat your addiction yourself. Absolutely.
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Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteEssentially, it means you've given up believing in yourself.
No, just relying on your imperfection...
Nonsense.
How so...are you perfect?
Nobody is. That doesn't mean your statement has any truth to it. It's still nonsense.
Well so is yours...nobody is giving up on themselves.
Certainly they are. If you "surrender to a higher power" you've absolutely given up on the idea you can beat your addiction yourself. Absolutely.
No, you're just giving up on the attributes that cause your addiction...most likely, faulty thinking...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
billvon 3,132
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>Can you please explain to me what this means?
Shopping at Wal-Mart.
Shopping at Wal-Mart.
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Quote>Can you please explain to me what this means?
Shopping at Wal-Mart.
No. You're confusing that with surrendering to lower prices on inferior products sold by people making sub-standard wages.
This may also be related to the zombie question in the other thread.
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Can you please explain to me what this means?
Most people accept there is alot more going on around us than what our immediate senses can perceive. Some people choose to view the unmeasurable aspects of this as a "force" that can help bring peace into one's life, and those around us. Accessing this "force" requires behavior changes on our part, most importantly it requires developing your own ability to calm your mind. Calming your mind will allow you to see things in a clearer light, and better deal with the situations that arise in your life. There are many ways to do this.
We are all engines of karma
nigel99 646
QuoteCan you please explain to me what this means?
Getting married
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
QuoteAccessing this "force" requires behavior changes on our part, most importantly it requires developing your own ability to calm your mind. Calming your mind will allow you to see things in a clearer light, and better deal with the situations that arise in your life.
Well said.
QuoteThere are many ways to do this.
The OP raises the question as to the existence of "a higher power," outside ourselves, to which we must surrender as a pre-requisite for personal growth. I say that "higher power" is inside us all the time waiting to be tapped, but I agree that the concept of surrendering may have some value. Letting go of our ego boundaries is a worthwhile form of surrendering to our subconscious, which of couse is not an exteral power, but an internal one. This process can lead to a greater acceptance of the world around us and ultimately a better understanding of ourselves. Religion can provide a mechanism to facilitate some of this process by utilizing symbolism, but this can be counterproductive if taken too literally.
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I say that "higher power" is inside us all the time waiting to be tapped
Agreed, that is the starting point, ultimately.
We are all engines of karma
Well, if you want AA's watered down version you'll have to go to a meeting or read the book...but Winsor gave the jist of it.
However, from a biblical stance it's surrendering our depraved physical will to that of God's perfect spiritual will found in scripture.
A spiritual life is one that can overcome the physical, including death as Christ did.
All humans can overcome physical addictions however they want, as Winsor said, whatever works...but this is different from santification where the desire is for an eternal spiritual relationship with God...recovery from physical ailments tends to be secondary.
A commitment to biblical study over time and practical aplication will help to further understand the concept.
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