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No.
charlie5 0
QuoteThey were just atheists who were thought the fence felt nice and offered them some safety.
This shit right here is a perfect example of the condescension from Atheists who attempt to proselytize. You guys are more annoying than Evangelicals.
I used to be like you, but then I took my head out of my ass and realized that being 100% hardcore atheist is just as asinine as being a bible thumper preaching to others when both sides are equally invalid and require faith.
It's not that the fence feels nice, it's that the fence is the logical place to sit since we're not so fucking arrogant as to think either side of the fence is infallible.
We're on the fence shaking our heads at you guys on either side ripping into each other, or in this case trying to pull us fence sitters down to one side or the other. No intellectually honest person deep down can be 100% sure of the issue in the deepest darkest recesses of their mind. Sitting on the fence isn't comfortable but it's necessary.
The feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo
QuoteAs for the thread title, I thought just the opposite. The presence of the parentheses around dis semed to me to imply both questions (e.g., "why don't you believe" AND "why don't you disbelieve") were included. As neutral as you can make it, IMHO.
Thanks for recognizing my intention. Just as significant is my use of the word "choose." In the absence of proof or disproof, when there is no intellectual basis, belief becomes a matter of choice. We are hearing from some believers and non-believers who think that such a choice must be made. I say that when the process becomes that subjective, such choices may have meaning to those individuals but have no value beyond that.
Quotebeing 100% hardcore atheist is just as asinine as being a bible thumper preaching to others
We've been equally despised by both sides for so long that I can hardly tell them apart anymore.
charlie5 0
QuoteQuotebeing 100% hardcore atheist is just as asinine as being a bible thumper preaching to others
We've been equally despised by both sides for so long that I can hardly tell them apart anymore.
Funny, I was just thinking the same thing. At least the religious folk try to convince us to "save" us whereas atheists do it just to denigrate us and be cocky d-bags to stroke their own egos and reassure themselves that their 100% scientific choice is beyond reproach.
The feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo
rehmwa 2
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I find the thread title to be a leading one.
Will there be a similar thread titled,
"Agnostics, why don't you choose to believe?"
As for the thread title, I thought just the opposite. The presence of the parentheses around dis semed to me to imply both questions (e.g., "why don't you believe" AND "why don't you disbelieve") were included. As neutral as you can make it, IMHO.
You're both wrong -
the single title "Why don't you believe?" is adequate - the "(dis)" part is unneeded
since both positions - atheism and deism - are beliefs
1 - do you believe is a deity? who cares
2 - do you believe in atheism? who cares
the 'dis' is absolutely unnecessary
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
Shotgun 1
Quote1 - do you believe is a deity? who cares
2 - do you believe in atheism? who cares
You sure do post in a lot of these religious threads for someone who doesn't care. I think it is just your belief that you do not care.
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuotesomeone who turns the other cheek and loves there enemy, isn't sane.
Ya, because hate and the desire to retaliate has proven otherwise...
If someone uses aggression against you, proportionate self-defence isn't unethical. According to Jesus, you should not defend yourself.
And what would you consider proprtionate self defence against already having been slapped?
I don't see being slapped as a grave life threatening situation that demands self defence. You can retaliate and escalate a rather harmless but negative situation or you can turn the other cheek and in doing so you effectively show they have no power and expose the triviality of the situation... whether they slap you, insult you, steal from you or whatever, you exhibit your detachment from these material possesions and pride to the extent that it wouldn't cause you to act irrationally and escalate a rather unfortunate senario into something more extreme....possibly even life threatening.
Sometimes I wonder if the whole turn the other cheek reference was not just a metaphor to describe the mentality one should have of belonging to something more powerful and greater than oneself, where these trivial things that seem so important for carnal man to defend, are simply of no import.
Do you now see how important it is for christians to delve into scripture and search for the menning and truth behind a selected portion of scripture with a gentle spirit and postive prespective, rather than the shallow negative one you seem to have portrayed?
Quotewe started of the wrong way, and later we mutually found that normal and even friendly interaction was possible. that's hardly a miracle of neighbourly love, me thinks
This was just one of many ways in which that truth Christ has taught can be applied to a pratical situation...there are even more trivial examples and even more extreme ones. I chose to apply this truth during the most challenging time in my life and have been blessed beyond comprehension...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
rehmwa 2
QuoteQuote1 - do you believe is a deity? who cares
2 - do you believe in atheism? who cares
You sure do post in a lot of these religious threads for someone who doesn't care. I think it is just your belief that you do not care.
{{she's on to me}}
I find religion to be a funny topic, like politics, it's a big deal to so many people. It allow subjective nonsense to have big impacts on everybody. It's true tragic comedy.
and I'm really bored lately and these don't seemed to be hijacked so badly/rudely as the political threads
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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants
mnealtx 0
QuoteAccording to Jesus, you should not defend yourself.
Not so.
Luke 22:36: He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one."
Ezekiel 33:4: then if anyone hears the trumpet but does not take warning and the sword comes and takes his life, his blood will be on his own head.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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jaybird18c 25
Shotgun 1
Quoteand I'm really bored lately and these don't seemed to be hijacked so badly/rudely as the political threads
I suspect that most people posting in here are doing so out of boredom and not because they really care what anyone in SC thinks about their religious beliefs.
Meso 38
You're so cute when you're mad.
QuoteQuoteThere are many more colors out here than just black and white.
Whether or not god exists is a binary question; either he does or doesn't. There are no colors in between.
*whoosh*
Talking about agnostics, Paul.
If you had read properly....oh, wait.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
QuoteMuch of this argument is based on a fundamental misunderstanding about the concept of agnosticism. It has nothing to do with a belief in the existence or non-existence of god. It is simply the conceptual position that absolute knowledge about the existence of non-existence of a god is impossible (unless you get to chat with him one on one)..
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Anyone who wants to argue otherwise - that's cool, I think you're wrong but as I don't think I can ever prove you wrong... lets go get a beer together while we chat about it... so long as you accept you can never prove me wrong.
In a nutshell.
Good stuff. A voice of reason. All the way through.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
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As for the thread title, I thought just the opposite. The presence of the parentheses around dis semed to me to imply both questions (e.g., "why don't you believe" AND "why don't you disbelieve") were included. As neutral as you can make it, IMHO.
Fair enough. Yes.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
charlie5 0
QuoteYou're so cute when you're mad.
I'm not mad, just stating my opinion on smug atheists which again you're feeding right into, intentionally or not.
The feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo
If someone uses aggression against you, proportionate self-defence isn't unethical. According to Jesus, you should not defend yourself.
I think while one should always remember that one's enemy is a human being too, and should treat them accordingly, but actually loving one's enemy is insane OR renders the word "love" totally meaningless.
Oh, come on, we started of the wrong way, and later we mutually found that normal and even friendly interaction was possible. that's hardly a miracle of neighbourly love, me thinks, and it certainly has little to do with the extreme pacifism Jesus preached....
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