The Vanishing American Middle Class

[billvon 3,132]

>If these factories were here in the U.S. they would be supplying our middle class jobs,
>but they are not.

And why is that? Is it because the big bad government never gives solar power companies any breaks? Or is it because Chinese labor costs 1/10th of what US labor does?

>After they are shipped here to the U.S. a contractor (another "company owner" of
>sorts) goes down to Lowe's or Home Depot to round up a bunch of illegals and pays
>them $2 an hour to install them, there buy driving down everyone else's wage.

And is that because of the taxes he is paying - or because illegals are $2 an hour?

>People want to tax the rich more, but they don't understand that to offset the costs,
>they will just outsource more further killing the economy.

Yep, those rich people who are making $2 an hour will surely go back to Mexico if you tax them too much.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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I agree with what your saying, the problem is we will never work for a tenth of what they pay the Chinese and Indian labor force.

We won't.

Long term our average wages will be the same.

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At the rate things are going, i'll end up having to change my name to appu, learn to speak Hindi, and work in a call center servicing Indian consumers.

With over a billion potential customers in India versus just three hundred million here that's not too unlikely.

[Coreece 190]

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How long can this trend continue?

Give it a rest already dude.

The rich are still rich and the poor are still poor...more of the same, nothing really changed...status quo.

why am I starting to sense a little jealousy?

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[jgoose71 0]

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>If these factories were here in the U.S. they would be supplying our middle class jobs,
>but they are not.

And why is that? Is it because the big bad government never gives solar power companies any breaks? Or is it because Chinese labor costs 1/10th of what US labor does?

Supporting a solar company with a hosed up business model is a hole different thread.
However, yes, if we cut the business taxes and institute a national sales tax, we can at least start to close the difference of the labor costs.

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>After they are shipped here to the U.S. a contractor (another "company owner" of
>sorts) goes down to Lowe's or Home Depot to round up a bunch of illegals and pays
>them $2 an hour to install them, there buy driving down everyone else's wage.

And is that because of the taxes he is paying - or because illegals are $2 an hour?

Didn't you claim to be a business owner at one time? by hiring illegals he gets to:
A: Pay less than minimum wage
B: Skip the pay role tax

This is not allowing the government to collect the revenue it needs to do business and is driving down the American wage.

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>People want to tax the rich more, but they don't understand that to offset the costs,
>they will just outsource more further killing the economy.

Yep, those rich people who are making $2 an hour will surely go back to Mexico if you tax them too much.

When did I say the illegals were rich? It's the Businesses that are hiring them to circumvent the laws that are getting rich. And the more we drive up taxes, the more people are going to try to circumvent them.

You really don't see the beauty of Cains 9-9-9 plan, don't you? It is a good start to fixing a lot of these problems to bring back the middle class.

Here is his talking point that I like the most:
Exports leave our shores without the Business Tax or the Sales Tax embedded in their cost, making them world class competitive. Imports are subject to the same taxation as domestically produced goods, leveling the playing field.

Will it actually do that? probably not all the way, but like I said, it's a good start in the right direction.

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