Heroes Charged for Preventing Mentally Ill from Shooting Innocent Public

[lawrocket 3]

http://gulfnews.com/news/world/usa/three-charged-with-chaining-mentally-ill-adults-to-boiler-1.897356

This is an outrage! Those four people were mentally ill and posed a threat to the public. Any way that we can get these nutters off the streets and prevent them from harming others is worth it.

Look - one way or another, these nutters weren't going to harm anybody where they were. If the government won't get them off the streets because asshole Reagan put them there, then the public must rely upon their own initiative to ensure that our society is free of the threats of the mentally ill.

Join me in commending these heroes - not charging them - for sequestering these psychos from an innocent public. Could you imagine what the schizos would have done had they had guns?

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[Elite_Marksman 0]

I really, really, really hope you are joking. That article is quite possibly the WORST example of reporting I've seen in recent years.

Living just 20 miles from Philly, we have a lot more articles about what happened in that basement.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/21/us-captives-philadelphia-idUSTRE79K6SY20111021

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/21/justice/pennsylvania-disabled-chained/

http://www.timesunion.com/news/article/Police-conduct-wide-probe-in-Philly-basement-case-2227447.php

[lawrocket 3]

Ask people on here. They'll tell you that mentally ill or deficient shouldn't have a second amendment right. Or fourth. Or fifth. Seventh. Fourteenth.

To plenty, mental illness means that you have no more rights that a dog. Mentally ill pose threats to everyone and as a prophylactic measure should be summarily sequestered from society. Ask and you'll find out. The mentally ill are threats to all of us.

Sure, these were private citizens who took these nutters off of the streets instead of the cop. And maybe they should have gotten better facilities but they're nuts or retarded so it's no worse than what is going on in their minds.

Mentally ill - all of them - are threats. It's been reiterated by so many on here. Criminals - we wait until they commit crimes. We can't do that with the mentally ill.

I'd like a shout out from those who agree that mentally ill means no rights. These people had theirs taken from them and thus fulfilled the grand vision. Let's hear the appluase! Not living in the streets - amazon likes that. No voting - thank goodness! No rright to petition for redress. No guns. Just locked away.

Isn't that what so many of you want? Give them a toilet and more food and you've got EXACTLY what those people have advocated right here on this forum. Take away a person's rights and there is no complaint.

Yep. It's goddamned disgusting, isn't it?

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[billvon 3,132]

>I really, really, really hope you are joking.

He's trolling, actually; posting something that's not really his opinion to get an angry reaction from the 'right' people.

[Kennedy 0]

I think it's closer to satire than pure trolling. He is not trying to get a rise out of the usual suspects. He is actually mocking their position by taking it to its conclusion.

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[billvon 3,132]

>He is not trying to get a rise out of the usual suspects. He is actually mocking . . .

Right. One gets a rise out of someone here by mocking them.

[lawrocket 3]

Billvon is half correct. Part trolling and part satire. It's why at the end of my post I mentioned that with better toilets and better food it would be exactly what many have argued - the exact same thing.

Yes, my title was trolling to a tee. The nature was satire.

Bill - had this been the government that did it, what would your thoughts be? These people represent the vast majority of the mentally ill. Not threats but victims. Locked away.

Isn't that exactly what so many have suggested? Here the conditions were deplorable but the acts were the same. The victims are the same. Freedoms gone. There is a human side of this.

Meanwhile, it's been, they're mentally iull? They are threats. They should be dealt with and neutralized.THESE people are the faces of the mentally ill.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Bill - had this been the government that did it, what would your thoughts be?

If they had locked them away to steal from them, as these people apparently were trying to do? Then that would be a very, very bad.

If they had locked them away because they had been evaluated by a competent psychiatrist and found to be a danger to themselves or others? But then locked them in a boiler room in the basement with no food? Then that would be bad indeed.

If they had locked them away because they had been evaluated by a competent psychiatrist and found to be a danger to themselves or others, and placed them under supervised medical care? Then good job, government.

[fossg 0]

There was a fellow in Germany who did one better than just locking up the mentaly ill. He also included a few other groups he did not care for. Thats what happens when government completely runs everything

[likearock 2]

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There was a fellow in Germany who did one better than just locking up the mentaly ill. He also included a few other groups he did not care for. Thats what happens when government completely runs everything

Godwin - you lose.

[lawrocket 3]

[Reply]If they had locked them away to steal from them, as these people apparently were trying to do? Then that would be a very, very bad

[FZR89 0]

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http://gulfnews.com/news/world/usa/three-charged-with-chaining-mentally-ill-adults-to-boiler-1.897356

This is an outrage! Those four people were mentally ill and posed a threat to the public. Any way that we can get these nutters off the streets and prevent them from harming others is worth it.

Look - one way or another, these nutters weren't going to harm anybody where they were. If the government won't get them off the streets because asshole Reagan put them there, then the public must rely upon their own initiative to ensure that our society is free of the threats of the mentally ill.

Join me in commending these heroes - not charging them - for sequestering these psychos from an innocent public. Could you imagine what the schizos would have done had they had guns?

My first post here and I am speechless. omfg

[RonD1120 62]

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[Reply]If they had locked them away to steal from them, as these people apparently were trying to do? Then that would be a very, very bad

Versus locking them away when they haven't done anything wrong? Locked away is locked away. If they'd done something bad and being locked away is the known penalty then by all means. But locking them away for money versus locking them away for prophylaxis? I'm black and white because either way is locked away.

Next step, bill - when would you let them out. Then, when would you restore their rights?

And note - much of my problem was that it was suggested that they lose rights on suspicion of being weird. Of stigma attaching.

[Reply]and placed them under supervised medical care? Then good job, government.

[lawrocket 3]

Take a look at this thread:

http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4145053;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

There are people who actually MEAN it, only with better food and toilets.

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[Andy9o8 3]

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No right to petition for redress.

I've never quite understood that right. Seems to me, you wanna change your clothes, just go ahead.

[lawrocket 3]

It's like the right to bear arms. If you can't actually bear it yourself, the right doesn't exist and one should go with something that doesn't weigh as much.

Or the right to be free from quartering troops. Does that mean that I have he obligation to draw them but I can decline to quarter them? Or if I can't quarter them can I nickle and dime them? Or is that reserved for the House Appropriations Committee?

And what about Gawain on here? He's only three quarters now because he lost a quarter of himself in Iraq.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Versus locking them away when they haven't done anything wrong? Locked away is locked away.

I know you understand that that's not true, and that kidnapping someone is different than a doctor who commits someone involuntarily for evaluation - even if they haven't done anything wrong.

>What about the nutters who haven't been so found?

If no one has found them, chances are they're not that much of a risk.

> Take the guy who shot Giffords. None of what you are suggesting would have
>prevented it.

Nor would releasing all people under psychiatric holds have prevented that.

>Once the medical problem is treated, then let them out and restore their rights fully.

Well, I would say "once the psychological problem is cured, then let them out and restore their rights fully."