DesertAttorney 0 #51 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWealth redistribution has steadily moved wealth away from the middle class and to the very rich over the past 30 years Wealth redistribution has moved money away from the middle class AND the rich to the poor. The problem is that the rich are better able to sustain the loss and adjust. The poor and middle class are not. . Nope. The rich got richer and the poor poorer over the past 30 years. www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/poor-are-still-getting-poorer-but-downturns-punch-varies-census-data-show.html And? So it's now incumbent upon Government to take from those who have EARNED it, and give it to those who have not? What's mine is mine, not yours. Yet another strawman from a right winger. I haven't asked you for anything. Have you been taking debating lessons from mnealtx? Not a strawman. A Question. Sir: Given your disdain for the rich, Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? A simple yes or no would do, and if you wish, a bit of clarification would be nice also. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #52 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWealth redistribution has steadily moved wealth away from the middle class and to the very rich over the past 30 years Wealth redistribution has moved money away from the middle class AND the rich to the poor. The problem is that the rich are better able to sustain the loss and adjust. The poor and middle class are not. . Nope. The rich got richer and the poor poorer over the past 30 years. www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/poor-are-still-getting-poorer-but-downturns-punch-varies-census-data-show.html And? So it's now incumbent upon Government to take from those who have EARNED it, and give it to those who have not? What's mine is mine, not yours. Yet another strawman from a right winger. I haven't asked you for anything. Have you been taking debating lessons from mnealtx? No, just using your misdirection tactics.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #53 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWealth redistribution has steadily moved wealth away from the middle class and to the very rich over the past 30 years Wealth redistribution has moved money away from the middle class AND the rich to the poor. The problem is that the rich are better able to sustain the loss and adjust. The poor and middle class are not. . Nope. The rich got richer and the poor poorer over the past 30 years. www.nytimes.com/2011/09/15/us/poor-are-still-getting-poorer-but-downturns-punch-varies-census-data-show.html And? So it's now incumbent upon Government to take from those who have EARNED it, and give it to those who have not? What's mine is mine, not yours. Yet another strawman from a right winger. I haven't asked you for anything. Have you been taking debating lessons from mnealtx? Not a strawman. A Question. Sir: Given your disdain for the rich, Argument based on false premise, therefore moot. Stating "The rich got richer and the poor poorer over the past 30 years." is a statement of fact, and not correlated in any way with disdain. I realize that as an attorney you are paid to ignore logic and appeal to emotion.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #54 October 19, 2011 Ok, distilled once more, and this now borders on being pedantic: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #55 October 19, 2011 QuoteOk, distilled once more, and this now borders on being pedantic: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? The government is authorized by the Constitution to levy taxes on you. It is authorized to disburse those revenues according to the dictates of Congress. Claiming that what's yours is yours won't hold up very well with the IRS, Counselor.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #56 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteOk, distilled once more, and this now borders on being pedantic: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? The government is authorized by the Constitution to levy taxes on you. It is authorized to disburse those revenues according to the dictates of Congress. Claiming that what's yours is yours won't hold up very well with the IRS, Counselor. I'm not arguing law, Professor. If I was, I'd cite cases and statutes. We're debating fiscal/political theory. If it was the former, I'd bet my JD and AZ license against your Physics PhD...and I'd win. My question still stands. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #57 October 19, 2011 Quote Sir: Given your disdain for the rich, . By the way, I refer you to your own post #16 in this thread by way of pointing out your own contradictions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #58 October 19, 2011 Quote ...I'm just trying to forestall a massive "did not" "did too" series. Excuse me. Wendy P. Like that would happen. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #59 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteOk, distilled once more, and this now borders on being pedantic: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? The government is authorized by the Constitution to levy taxes on you. It is authorized to disburse those revenues according to the dictates of Congress. Claiming that what's yours is yours won't hold up very well with the IRS, Counselor. I'm not arguing law, Professor. If I was, I'd cite cases and statutes. We're debating fiscal/political theory. If it was the former, I'd bet my JD and AZ license against your Physics PhD...and I'd win. My question still stands. Try withholding your taxes on the grounds that what's yours is yours; the IRS has good attorneys too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #60 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuote Sir: Given your disdain for the rich, . By the way, I refer you to your own post #16 in this thread by way of pointing out your own contradictions. I see nothing contradictory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DesertAttorney 0 #61 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOk, distilled once more, and this now borders on being pedantic: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? The government is authorized by the Constitution to levy taxes on you. It is authorized to disburse those revenues according to the dictates of Congress. Claiming that what's yours is yours won't hold up very well with the IRS, Counselor. I'm not arguing law, Professor. If I was, I'd cite cases and statutes. We're debating fiscal/political theory. If it was the former, I'd bet my JD and AZ license against your Physics PhD...and I'd win. My question still stands. Try withholding your taxes on the grounds that what's yours is yours; the IRS has good attorneys too. My question Still stands: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #62 October 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOk, distilled once more, and this now borders on being pedantic: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? The government is authorized by the Constitution to levy taxes on you. It is authorized to disburse those revenues according to the dictates of Congress. Claiming that what's yours is yours won't hold up very well with the IRS, Counselor. I'm not arguing law, Professor. If I was, I'd cite cases and statutes. We're debating fiscal/political theory. If it was the former, I'd bet my JD and AZ license against your Physics PhD...and I'd win. My question still stands. Try withholding your taxes on the grounds that what's yours is yours; the IRS has good attorneys too. My question Still stands: Is it your opinion that it is incumbent on Govt to take from those who have it earned it, and give to those who have not? It is my opinion that they are authorized to do this. However, rewarding AIG executives with huge bonuses after the bail out seemed a pretty bad idea to me, since they really weren't have nots at all.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #63 October 19, 2011 QuoteThe rich got richer and the poor poorer over the past 30 years. The middle class got poorer. This DESPITE the massive amount of money that has gone to the poor. This is DESPITE the massive growth of entitlement spending that has directed tens of trillions to the welfare state. Here's a concept: "Taking wealth from one does not create wealth for another." Another concept: "Poverty is not cured by giving it money." And Wendy - I understand your point. But I wanted to offer an example about how redistributing wealth can act to benefit the wealthy to the detriment of everyone else. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #64 October 19, 2011 >So it's now incumbent upon Government to take from those who have EARNED it, >and give it to those who have not? Yep. That pesky Constitution again. I have the distinct feeling that right wingers would be a lot happier if it just quietly went away. (Except for the Second Amendment of course.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #65 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe rich got richer and the poor poorer over the past 30 years. The middle class got poorer. This DESPITE the massive amount of money that has gone to the poor. This is DESPITE the massive growth of entitlement spending that has directed tens of trillions to the welfare state. Here's a concept: "Taking wealth from one does not create wealth for another." Another concept: "Poverty is not cured by giving it money." Well, we could always let the poor eat cake instead.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,182 #66 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuote The government is authorized by the Constitution to levy taxes on you. It is authorized to disburse those revenues according to the dictates of Congress. Claiming that what's yours is yours won't hold up very well with the IRS, Counselor. I'm not arguing law, Professor. If I was, I'd cite cases and statutes. We're debating fiscal/political theory. If it was the former, I'd bet my JD and AZ license against your Physics PhD...and I'd win. I'd be interested to read the case law where someone successfully argued with the IRS that they didn't have to pay taxes because "what's mine is mine, not yours".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #67 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteThere's a caveat to this that old Ben didn't think of Ben had it figured-out well enough. Many Americans support only the candidates who will promise the lowest (or zero) tax rate, so they are effectively voting themselves money in that they can keep more of it. Of course the result is a dis-incentive to vote for fiscal responsibility as you describe. The repubiclowns have bee performing that for 30 years now.. Even George HW Bush called it what it was... VOODOO Economics... and here we are.. they cut the taxes... and there has been ZERO fiscal responsibility by the Party of NO from Jan 1981 till now. Sure.. cut revenues... and take us to war after war after war.. and feeding what does come in to the people who bought and paid them and the rubes are still looking for their trickle.... while the REAL money has GUSHED to the top. Unless you are a multi-millionaire... if you voted for any small government fiscal responsibility repubiclowns.. you are the ones who are getting fooled over and over and over.... SHAME ON YOU. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #68 October 20, 2011 History doesn't seem to support your little diatribe: 1980, 200k +: Total returns: 116k Total taxable income: 36.2 million Total income tax paid: 19 million 1988, 200k+ Total returns: 723k (625% increase) Total taxable income: 353 million (975% increase) Total income tax paid: 100 million (526% increase)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 October 20, 2011 QuoteHistory doesn't seem to support your little diatribe: 1980, 200k +: Total returns: 116k Total taxable income: 36.2 million Total income tax paid: 19 million 1988, 200k+ Total returns: 723k (625% increase) Total taxable income: 353 million (975% increase) Total income tax paid: 100 million (526% increase) Oh cool.. the apologist for the masters is here. Yawn.... Get back to me when EVERYTHING is factored in... even the architects of your TRICKLE... realize now it was GOAT FUCK STUPID and needs to go away while there is still a middle class in America. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #70 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteHistory doesn't seem to support your little diatribe: 1980, 200k +: Total returns: 116k Total taxable income: 36.2 million Total income tax paid: 19 million 1988, 200k+ Total returns: 723k (625% increase) Total taxable income: 353 million (975% increase) Total income tax paid: 100 million (526% increase) Oh cool.. the apologist for the masters is here. Yawn.... Get back to me when EVERYTHING is factored in... even the architects of your TRICKLE... realize now it was GOAT FUCK STUPID and needs to go away while there is still a middle class in America. Poor Jeannie....so MANY accusations, so LITTLE proof.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #71 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteHistory doesn't seem to support your little diatribe: 1980, 200k +: Total returns: 116k Total taxable income: 36.2 million Total income tax paid: 19 million 1988, 200k+ Total returns: 723k (625% increase) Total taxable income: 353 million (975% increase) Total income tax paid: 100 million (526% increase) Oh cool.. the apologist for the masters is here. Yawn.... Get back to me when EVERYTHING is factored in... even the architects of your TRICKLE... realize now it was GOAT FUCK STUPID and needs to go away while there is still a middle class in America. Poor Jeannie....so MANY accusations, so LITTLE proof. Poor wittle Mikey So much apology for his masters... despite a GAGILLION articles everywhere except FAUX NEWS.. the Pravda of the rePUBIClowns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #72 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHistory doesn't seem to support your little diatribe: 1980, 200k +: Total returns: 116k Total taxable income: 36.2 million Total income tax paid: 19 million 1988, 200k+ Total returns: 723k (625% increase) Total taxable income: 353 million (975% increase) Total income tax paid: 100 million (526% increase) Oh cool.. the apologist for the masters is here. Yawn.... Get back to me when EVERYTHING is factored in... even the architects of your TRICKLE... realize now it was GOAT FUCK STUPID and needs to go away while there is still a middle class in America. Poor Jeannie....so MANY accusations, so LITTLE proof. Poor wittle Mikey So much apology for his masters... despite a GAGILLION articles everywhere except FAUX NEWS.. the Pravda of the rePUBIClowns. Nice try... but another HUGE FAIL from the usual suspect... but since you know squat about me.... you can be forgiven no matter how delusional your rant is.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #73 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHistory doesn't seem to support your little diatribe: 1980, 200k +: Total returns: 116k Total taxable income: 36.2 million Total income tax paid: 19 million 1988, 200k+ Total returns: 723k (625% increase) Total taxable income: 353 million (975% increase) Total income tax paid: 100 million (526% increase) Oh cool.. the apologist for the masters is here. Yawn.... Get back to me when EVERYTHING is factored in... even the architects of your TRICKLE... realize now it was GOAT FUCK STUPID and needs to go away while there is still a middle class in America. Poor Jeannie....so MANY accusations, so LITTLE proof. Poor wittle Mikey So much apology for his masters... despite a GAGILLION articles everywhere except FAUX NEWS.. the Pravda of the rePUBIClowns. Nice try... but another HUGE FAIL from the usual suspect... but since you know squat about me.... you can be forgiven no matter how delusional your rant is. Differnt Day.. Same Mikee tactics... YAWN Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #74 October 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHistory doesn't seem to support your little diatribe: 1980, 200k +: Total returns: 116k Total taxable income: 36.2 million Total income tax paid: 19 million 1988, 200k+ Total returns: 723k (625% increase) Total taxable income: 353 million (975% increase) Total income tax paid: 100 million (526% increase) Oh cool.. the apologist for the masters is here. Yawn.... Get back to me when EVERYTHING is factored in... even the architects of your TRICKLE... realize now it was GOAT FUCK STUPID and needs to go away while there is still a middle class in America. Poor Jeannie....so MANY accusations, so LITTLE proof. Poor wittle Mikey So much apology for his masters... despite a GAGILLION articles everywhere except FAUX NEWS.. the Pravda of the rePUBIClowns. Nice try... but another HUGE FAIL from the usual suspect... but since you know squat about me.... you can be forgiven no matter how delusional your rant is. Differnt Day.. Same Mikee tactics... YAWN Different day, same Jeannie projections..... YAWN.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #75 October 20, 2011 It seems the delusions keep you from seeing reality... Maybe someday you will come home and have to deal with the NEW America that you have apologized fror now for years... the one with no middle class. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
