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So your belief is that because humans came up with this idea of god that there must be a god? That spirituality exists because lots of people believe it? The number of people that believe in something doesn't make it any more real.



No that's not what I said...please read what I wrote. I assure you it had nothing to do with that popular fallacy...
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From a scientific stand point there is no evidence of spiritualism or any deity.



Why should there be? Doesn't science deal with the physical.

All they can know is that Billions of people have this inate desire to know God, and science still has yet to prove that desire is the result of some type of evolutionary benefit...


There is no "inate(sp) desire to know god". There is a lot of religious indoctrination based on ignorance. We're ALL atheists when we're born. If children are continually fed horseshit you can expect them to grow up stupid and gullible
Humanity would be much better served by teaching reality-based concepts, instead of the mythological drivel that the majority are taught now.
All the antiquated gods of history are make-believe, exactly like the "modern" one you've been duped into following.
"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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Why should there be? Doesn't science deal with the physical.



First there needs to be evidence that a "non physical" even exists. Just because humans imagine a spiritual world doesn't mean there really is a spiritual world. Science deals with everything around us. Science is a method for understanding what is around us and cutting through the illusions that are a part of the human brain. It's a way or method of testing everything so that we can better understand the world around us and filter between real and illusion.

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So your belief is that because humans came up with this idea of god that there must be a god? That spirituality exists because lots of people believe it? The number of people that believe in something doesn't make it any more real.



No that's not what I said...please read what I wrote. I assure you it had nothing to do with that popular fallacy...



This is what you wrote.

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All they can know is that Billions of people have this inate desire to know God, and science still has yet to prove that desire is the result of some type of evolutionary benefit...



Your statement assumes there is a god for people to have "an inate desire to know".

You seem to think that because billions of humans believe in a deity or deitys that there is "an inate desire" to know your god and What? They just happen to have picked the wrong one?

I think my statement describes what you said pretty well. It's just not how you like to think of it because you assume there is a god, your Christian God.

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First there needs to be evidence that a "non physical" even exists. Just because humans imagine a spiritual world doesn't mean there really is a spiritual world. Science deals with everything around us. Science is a method for understanding what is around us and cutting through the illusions that are a part of the human brain. It's a way or method of testing everything so that we can better understand the world around us and filter between real and illusion.



You can 10 people the same "scientific facts" but the metaphysical realities they create for themselves out of those facts will all be different. I am all for scientific discovery, but that is only a small part of the comprehensive picture of reality.


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There is no innate desire to know god.



Well if you're gonna make that claim, you might wanna prove it...

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There is a lot of religious indoctrination based on ignorance.



No doubt...

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We're ALL atheists when we're born.



Ya, and none of us get boners while sucking a big tit at that age either...we'd even walk off the edge off a cliff and plummit to our death without even knowing it...

...so what are you saying...that athiests are just a bunch of infantile morons?

...good one Babin!:D

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If children are continually fed horseshit you can expect them to grow up stupid and gullible



Then why don't you still believe in Santa Claus?

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Humanity would be much better served by teaching reality-based concepts



Ya, I agree...I suppose my 20+ years of Barney n' friends education have amounted to nothing....

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All the antiquated gods of history are make-believe, exactly like the "modern" one you've been duped into following.



Quit pretending you know me...btw, did you look out your window? I bet you did....:D
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Science deals with everything around us.



Exactly...there are billions of people who will tell you they have an innate desire to know God. If you are gonna make a claim that it's not innate...you're gonna have to prove it.

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Science is a method for understanding what is around us and cutting through the illusions that are a part of the human brain.



Well than you're gonna have to prove an illusion actually exists...

Many have stated that belief in God is simply an evolutionary benefit...ok, prove it.

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It's a way or method of testing everything so that we can better understand the world around us and filter between real and illusion



hahaha...you assume you can understand tho totality of reality.

That's a good one!
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Your statement assumes there is a god for people to have "an inate desire to know".



Ya,so what? I was born this way...it is what it is.

Your assumption is that this God doesn't exist and was created by man...prove it.

Some say that this belief is the result of an evolutionary benefit...prove it.

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You seem to think that because billions of humans believe in a deity or deitys that there is "an inate desire" to know your god



And you seem to think that we're all a bunch of nuts because we don't supress our natural feelings...prove it.
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I must have missed that thread. Which one did he predict the end of the world in?



I didn't...John is just notorious for making assinine claims about people that he can never back up.

He's very black and white...if you don't agree with him on one trivial issue, you're deemed an idiotic conservative christian extremist war mongering homophobic pro life dictator....

Ya, I know...there was a time when people actually respected him regardless of his positions, but the last couple of months have proven to be a fall from grace from which he'll probably never recover...
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You can 10 people the same "scientific facts" but the metaphysical realities they create for themselves out of those facts will all be different. I am all for scientific discovery, but that is only a small part of the comprehensive picture of reality.



Correct. A person's worldview informs their interpretation of evidence.

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Or it could be that God is more concerned with our righteousness and where we will spend eternity than all of the other trivial things we come up with.



don't be self-contradictory - if your diety is omni(potent/scient), it would have no need or desire to prioritize



God has revealed Himself to be personal and relational in His nature as well as infinitely intelligent, organized, complex, etc. It would be illogical to assign attributes to or have expectations from God which would be against His nature. In fact, that would fall into the classic category of "creating a god in your own image (e.g. idolotry).

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Your statement assumes there is a god for people to have "an inate desire to know".



Ya,so what? I was born this way...it is what it is.

Your assumption is that this God doesn't exist and was created by man...prove it.

Some say that this belief is the result of an evolutionary benefit...prove it.

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You seem to think that because billions of humans believe in a deity or deitys that there is "an inate desire" to know your god



And you seem to think that we're all a bunch of nuts because we don't supress our natural feelings...prove it.



I am not assuming there isn't a god. I am basing that conclusion on the lack of evidence of any deity at all.

It is much more logical to think that man created gods to explain the unexplainable. Gods were once used to explain nearly every natural phenomena. Now we know that lightning and thunder aren't angry gods acting out.

I think humans have an "inate desire" to understand the world around them and want to give meaning to their lives. Considering that there is no evidence to suggest any god exists this makes more sense then just assuming there is a god and the one you happen to believe in is the only one that exists.

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That's a great question, The bible promises that if you just ask, you shall receive.



If you or I were able to perfectly relate to God and our will was in harmony with His (as was the case with Adam prior to the fall), then you would receive anything you asked. Problem is, that is from reality. Our motives are flawed. We have never loved God perfectly (as Jesus did) nor do we love our neighbors as we should. Those verses you quoted, as with the 10 Commandments, should show you your need of a Savior and point you to the cross. You should also attempt to read in context. Derive meaning from the text instead of inserting your own personal meaning into it.

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should show you your need of a Savior and point you to the cross

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Speaking of the cross, and how you see it everywhere. Now don't you think, if Jesus came back, that's the last thing he would want to see?



Why? It is the symbol of His victory over physical death.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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should show you your need of a Savior and point you to the cross

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Speaking of the cross, and how you see it everywhere. Now don't you think, if Jesus came back, that's the last thing he would want to see?



When He returns, it will be to judge the world against the standard of His holiness. He will not be coming in peace as a friend for those who don't know him. Whether or not He cares about all the crosses everywhere will be the least of your concern. However, I have no idea why He would be offended by a cross.

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I have no idea why He would be offended by a cross.




It just seems a cross may not bring back the best of memories.



Strange that I would agree with you on something, I have never had much use for the cross icon. Now if there was such a thing as an empty tomb icon, that would be something I could really appreciate.



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To really confirm your belief you need evidence that can be tested and reproduced by anyone.


This is where you guys are so blatantly off-the-wall.
You just don't get it and apparently never will. Either that or just simply too self-centered to.....oh never mind.
*shaking head*
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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