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what was your ID here before Oct 6 2011?



If he would have labeled everyone Neo-Cons or Nazis, I'd say Lucky.

The terminology used says even money that it is Dreamdancer.
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Me, I prefer true Communism.

True Communism would produce a Utopia on Earth, IMO.

But how about in the mean time socialism?

Kinda' a Communism "lite".

Either of these economic/political structures would be better than capitalism or the Facism that is the current political/economic system of America .

What say you?



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The OWS crowd is a fine example of the problems of socialism. They occupy a private park. It's not theirs, so they don't take care of it and it becomes filth. Then somebody else has to take care of it.

THis is an example of socialism - they are literally shitting on private property. They have no ownership of the property so they don't care. Socialism is a public restroom. Compare public housing to private housing. Compare a public restroom to a private restroom.

This is not to say that there is not room for public goods. Roads, etc., where private ownership is often inefficient.

But - compare the filth and trash left behind at the average Earth Day gathering with a Tea Party gathering. There are those who respect property and those who do not.


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>But - compare the filth and trash left behind at the average Earth Day
>gathering with a Tea Party gathering.

I always find it funny that the Tea Partyers meet in government funded parks to protest . . . government funding of parks.

"Damn you, Obama, for providing us with the streets, parks and public services to protest you!"

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I always find it funny that the Tea Partyers meet in government funded parks to protest . . . government funding of parks.

"Damn you, Obama, for providing us with the streets, parks and public services to protest you!"



That's a bit of a stretch, bill. It's clear you're not a fan of the Tea Party. I doubt you'd find any rational person in that group who claims there isn't any role for government services in our society.
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what was your ID here before Oct 6 2011?



If he would have labeled everyone Neo-Cons or Nazis, I'd say Lucky.

The terminology used says even money that it is Dreamdancer.


it definitely reads like DD - he has that 'thing' about what's 'facism' and what's 'other'. and the smug/ignorant delivery only a true convert can deliver

plus, he'd be all over this post - unless he's a bot.

on the plus side - no cut and paste from wacked out websites :D


I still believe the HairyJuan-bot, Lucky, and DD are the same person

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I don't think that the Tea Party is arguing for no government. Rather that the federal government is too large and fiscally irresponsible.

The bigger problem is Tea Partiers on Medicare and Social Security who don't want it touched. That's hypocrisy.


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>Rather that the federal government is too large and fiscally irresponsible.
>The bigger problem is Tea Partiers on Medicare and Social Security who
>don't want it touched. That's hypocrisy.

Or the Tea Partyers who don't want the defense budget touched, or spending on vet benefits, or border control, or drug enforcement. The one common theme is "cut someone else's money, not mine." Which makes the Tea Partyers and the WS protesters quite similar in that respect.

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>Rather that the federal government is too large and fiscally irresponsible.
>The bigger problem is Tea Partiers on Medicare and Social Security who
>don't want it touched. That's hypocrisy.

Or the Tea Partyers who don't want the defense budget touched, or spending on vet benefits, or border control, or drug enforcement. The one common theme is "cut someone else's money, not mine." Which makes the Tea Partyers and the WS protesters quite similar in that respect.



At least they are working or retired people that have paid into the system working towards a goal of respnsible government and not standing in NY asking for free everything. Nobody likes loosing benifits they thought they had earned, unlike the OWS crowd that just wants everything given to them without any effort on their part.

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Or the Tea Partyers who don't want the defense budget touched, or spending on vet benefits, or border control, or drug enforcement. The one common theme is "cut someone else's money, not mine." Which makes the Tea Partyers and the WS protesters quite similar in that respect.



except for one thing - you started this comparative tangent in a reply to the way each group cleaned up after themselves. (Not that organized groups tend to argue over different areas they find unnecessary - which is a non-starter as most here agree with that premise.)

so are they "quite similar" in terms of public defecation and respect for other people's properties? (as individuals, or as a generalize group, or as a stereotype of the generalized group - pick whichever one makes you most comfortable and answer from that assumption).

What do think would happen in the following scenario?

Tea Partiers are in town protesting whatever it is they are protesting about and occupy a busy street. A shopkeeper asks them to clear out in front of his shop so he can put up his fruit stand.

In the next town, the WS protest group has the exact same scenario.


Which group do you think will:

1 - clear out - maybe apologize and help a little
2 - ignore the shopkeeper
3 - pitch a tent in front of the store
4 - steal fruit
5 - shit in the shopkeeper's mailbox

edit: we already know that a group of skydivers will actually accomplish all 5 acts simultaneously as well as try to date the shopkeeper's daughter

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...as well as try to date the shopkeeper's daughter



You're being euphemistic... ;);)


I'll have to look that word up.

just a sec

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I'll have to look that word up.



At least I spelled it correctly.... B|B|
But, only after I looked it up, too :D:D


ok - I looked up Euphemistic and understand.

yes - I was softpeddling my vocabulary there.

skydivers would "try to date the crack dealer's daughter"

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>What do think would happen in the following scenario?

>Tea Partiers are in town protesting whatever it is they are protesting about and occupy
>a busy street. A shopkeeper asks them to clear out in front of his shop so he can put
>up his fruit stand.

>In the next town, the WS protest group has the exact same scenario.

>Which group do you think will:

>1 - clear out - maybe apologize and help a little

Neither. Storekeeper will be called an Obama-loving socialist who thinks he can violate their civil rights or an evil rich guy who thinks he owns the sidewalk, depending.

>2 - ignore the shopkeeper

Probably the Wall Streeters. They won't be able to hear him over their ipods.

>3 - pitch a tent in front of the store

Probably the Wall Street protesters. They have tents. Tea Partyers will refuse to move their RVs.

>5 - shit in the shopkeeper's mailbox

WS protesters will probably shit in his mailbox. Tea Partyers will be the ones throwing bricks through his windows.

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