grimmie 186 #1 October 13, 2011 How do we stop the madness???? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #2 October 13, 2011 What kind of gun did he use? We obviously need to ban that. Then we need to ban marriage, conception, and divorce. Maybe tugboats too.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #3 October 13, 2011 Quote What kind of gun did he use? We obviously need to ban that. Then we need to ban marriage, conception, and divorce. Maybe tugboats too. And perhaps this http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/13/us-shooting-salon-california-idUSTRE79C6A320111013 Oh dear Jesus, another one ..... But, please! Please do not stop handing over guns to them! Or make it a bit easier to buy weapons for every one dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #4 October 13, 2011 That's the incident that slappie is referring to in the OP. Care to clarify the rest of your post? It's fairly incoherent.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #5 October 13, 2011 Quote How do we stop the madness???? Handgun registration! Didn't help, already had it. Restraining order! Didn't help, already had it. Prohibit his gun ownership due to a prior offense! Didn't help, already had it. 52-week anger management course! Didn't help, already had it. Thousands of other California gun control laws? Didn't help, already had 'em. Thousands of federal gun control laws? Didn't help, already had 'em. The reality is that nothing can stop a madman from getting a gun and killing people. Not here. Not anywhere. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #6 October 13, 2011 Quote Quote What kind of gun did he use? We obviously need to ban that. Then we need to ban marriage, conception, and divorce. Maybe tugboats too. And perhaps this http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/13/us-shooting-salon-california-idUSTRE79C6A320111013 Oh dear Jesus, another one ..... But, please! Please do not stop handing over guns to them! Or make it a bit easier to buy weapons for every one Yeah. I'll say it - it is YOUR thinking that is ensuring that 8 people get blown away. Or ten. Or thirty. I live in California and just two days ago a law was passed that banned open carry of handguns. What is the purpose of these gun laws? To prevent these crimes? to prevent slayings? Shootings? Well, I hate to break it to you but the evidence suggests that it simply is not working. Period. It's not working. Now instead of the random shootings we have random shootings and mass murders. The more guns are taken away, the more mass shootings we are getting. Explain to me how it is that guns keep getting taken away but mass murders on are the increase? Any ideas? “Gee, the guns are taken away but mass murders keep increasing?” This was the largest mass killing on Orange County history. “But lawrocket, gun control laws have gotten so strict in California that Bruce Pardo – 2008 – kills nine people at a Christmas Eve Party Vincent Brothers – 2007 – convicted of killing his wife, three kids and mother-in-law. Marcus Wesson – 2005 – killed nine of his kids Gian Luigi Ferri – 1993 – kills eight people in a San Francisco high rise law firm Patrick Purdy – 1989 – kill 5 children at a school in Stockton (and the big reason for an assault weapons ban) Ramon Salcido – 1989 – kills seven people in a rampage James Huberty – 1984 – kills 21 people at a McDonald’s Edward Allaway – 1976 – kills 7 people at a college library Massacres in California are getting MORE frequent. In the last week we’ve had 4 killed in Cupertino and 8 killed in Seal Beach. And the California gun laws are some of the most restrictive ANYWHERE. Yet, as the laws get stricter the massacres keep going. Guns are a good thing to blame. Take a look at the massacre in Norway – deliberately set up to ensure that there was a target-rich environment with no threat of defense for a nice long time. Want to kill a bunch of people in America? Go to a school – nobody can defend themselves. Go to a business – guns aren’t allowed. The gun laws here have turned “killings” into massacres. Strip the population of the opportunity to defend themselves and you have “easy pickings.” The perp in Seal Beach knew better than to put up a fight against the police – he surrendered without a fight. Nope – he’s not pulling a weapon when there’s firepower on the other side. His wasn’t’ a suicide mission – it was a homicide mission. Pick off the defenseless. If “safety” is the reason for the gun laws, then it appears that the evidence provides a very strong argument that “safety” is not being accomplished. To argue that the same path of taking away more and more of the opportunity for people to defend themselves is misanthropic. The absolute failure of gun control laws to even slow down the murder rate should be examined. And to suggest continuing down the same path would be a smart option indicates that there is something else at work. Safety is not the goal. Gun control is NOT working. So it’s time to go back to the drawing board and try something else. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #7 October 13, 2011 Well said, Jerry!! It's not about the guns...it's about the CONTROL.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #8 October 14, 2011 Excellent post! QuoteThe perp in Seal Beach knew better than to put up a fight against the police – he surrendered without a fight. Nope – he’s not pulling a weapon when there’s firepower on the other side. His wasn’t’ a suicide mission – it was a homicide mission. Pick off the defenseless. What stops madmen with guns, is good guys with guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #9 October 14, 2011 Quote Maybe tugboats too. What????? Now you're pissin' me off. Crime on the high seas it is...well safe harbors anyway. Street crime in a nutshell... Robber: Yo, Man! Yo gotta gun? Man: Yes. Robber: Right on, bro! next block... Robber: Yo, Man! You gotta gun? Man: No. Robber: Gimme yo fuckin' money, mofo!My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #10 October 14, 2011 Quote How do we stop the madness???? Re-vamp divorce law/guidelines for equity?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #11 October 14, 2011 Quote Oh dear Jesus, another one ..... But, please! Please do not stop handing over guns to them! Mad Or make it a bit easier to buy weapons for every oneUnimpressed How many people die on the autobahn? Some poor innocent guy just going to work get's hit by a maniac doing 200 mph. Maybe we should ban Porsches, too.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #12 October 14, 2011 I assume you meant PorSches? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #13 October 14, 2011 Quote I assume you meant PorSches? They're far removed from my every day experience... Thanks.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #14 October 14, 2011 How many people die in the entryway of their houses? we should ban porches ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #15 October 14, 2011 Quote we should ban porches Ok, ok... I'm embarassed.... How 'bout them Yankees?? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BoogeyMan 0 #16 October 14, 2011 Quote Quote we should ban porches Ok, ok... I'm embarassed.... How 'bout them Yankees?? You think you're embarrassed? How 'bout them Dolphins? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #17 October 14, 2011 When a guy walks into a salon and asks to get his man-boobs waxed say YES? For the sake of the children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #18 October 14, 2011 Quote When a guy walks into a salon and asks to get his man-boobs waxed say YES? For the sake of the children. Next thing you know, Obama is going to be taxing that activity, requiring the patron to be of certain age (hopefully off his parents insurance), and the proprietor to have multiple licenses.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #19 October 14, 2011 Quote Quote How do we stop the madness???? Re-vamp divorce law/guidelines for equity? The guy shared custody and was seeking sole custody the day before and didn't get it. He made allegations against her and she against him. Apparently the ex said he was bipolar and threatened to kill her. Well....with hindsight, I don't think she was lying. Custody disputes are stressful and bring out the worst in some people. It drives some people to extreme acts and allegations. For those with mental issues it can really bring it out with a vengeance. One thing I know, this Dekraai asshole was not thinking of his kid when he did this, he was focused on himself so blaming family court for not granting his request for full custody is bullshit. The son he professed to care about is now effectively an orphan thanks to him and will have to live with the horror of who his dad is and what he did (if he's even alive). The guy got more than a fair shake and just didn't like the outcome, and these murders don't undermine the court's decision not to grant his custody request, they vindicate it and then some. P.S. and for any guy who is thinking of empathizing with this mass-murdering scumbag. He's the reason the next innocent guy in a custody dispute will have a false allegation against him taken seriously pending further investigation. It's poster-boys like Dekraai that compel courts to issue DV-TROs like confetti. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 October 14, 2011 QuoteQuote When a guy walks into a salon and asks to get his man-boobs waxed say YES? For the sake of the children. Next thing you know, Obama is going to be taxing that activity, requiring the patron to be of certain age (hopefully off his parents insurance), and the proprietor to have multiple licenses. NONSENSE - Obama wouldn't do that any more than he'd add a special tax for something like....say.....tanning businesses ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #21 October 14, 2011 Quote NONSENSE - Obama wouldn't do that any more than he'd add a special tax for something like....say.....tanning businesses LOL...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #22 October 14, 2011 A fellow family law attorney whom I know well was murdered - along with her client - back in February by a husband who offed himself later that afternoon. Of course, the husband was a narcissistic prick. She was also an attorney who could really press buttons. I'll also tell you that Judy's death scared the hell out of me and many others. I'd already become a strong advocate for peaceful resolution of divorces and collaborative. I am more so now than ever. I cannot help but think that the fucked up system of adversarial divorce is partly to blame. Take a couple of people and divorce them. Now what? The problem with that is that this guy was a murderous asshole. They are usually very difficult to work with. Could collaborative have prevented this? I think it may have. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #23 October 14, 2011 Quote collaborative... Are you using that in some special legal context?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #24 October 14, 2011 Collaborative divorce. An agreement between the divorcing spouses to settle their issues without court. We bring in accountants and mental health professionals, financial planners, etc. The emotions are dealt with, managed and handled. www.collaborativepractice.com/ My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dorbie 0 #25 October 14, 2011 QuoteA fellow family law attorney whom I know well was murdered - along with her client - back in February by a husband who offed himself later that afternoon. Of course, the husband was a narcissistic prick. She was also an attorney who could really press buttons. I'll also tell you that Judy's death scared the hell out of me and many others. I'd already become a strong advocate for peaceful resolution of divorces and collaborative. I am more so now than ever. I cannot help but think that the fucked up system of adversarial divorce is partly to blame. Take a couple of people and divorce them. Now what? The problem with that is that this guy was a murderous asshole. They are usually very difficult to work with. Could collaborative have prevented this? I think it may have. This was not a divorce but a custody dispute, it seems like their earlier divorce MAY not have been as high conflict. This hearing seems to have taken a different turn. I don't think you can optimally structure a system around preventing murderous narcissists going postal. Collaborative can be effective but it's there as an option now. When two parties are engaged in a process like this either can elect to disengage when behavioral problems emerge and this is exactly what happens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
