Innocent Texas man imprisoned for 18 years

[kallend 2,182]

12 of them on death row.

gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2010/12/anatomy-of-frame-up-more-on-anthony.html

Prosecutorial misconduct.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wmw999 2,602]

You forgot "it's OK now, he's free -- the system worked"


Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,182]

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You forgot "it's OK now, he's free -- the system worked"


Wendy P.

The "system" didn't work at all. The Innocence Project did the work. The "system" would have executed him.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[wmw999 2,602]

John, the little sad face in there was to acknowledge that. Even if someone were to say that (and they will), it's disingenuous. He's lost his adulthood, as well as a normal relationship with his son.

Local papers have made much of the fact that he was repeatedly offered parole if he'd admit he did it, and he never would. His pride and self-hood were more important than his freedom.

The latest article in the Chronicle was highlighting the fact that rules of discovery are different from county to county in Texas, and that some the bigger ones, at least in statement, say that figuring out the truth is more important than winning.

But attorneys for both sides are rewarded a whole lot more for winning than for figuring out a truth that concedes the other guy was right.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kelpdiver 2]

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John, the little sad face in there was to acknowledge that. Even if someone were to say that (and they will), it's disingenuous. He's lost his adulthood, as well as a normal relationship with his son.

Yes. So it should really be about fixing faults in the process and indicting prosecutors for misconduct than debate over life/executions. If the DA acted with malice, give him the same 18 years served.

[funjumper101 15]

Why aren't John Rich and Mikey posting here defending the (non) excellence that is Texas?

If it is such a great place, why did this take so long?

When are the awards granted to the maggot in Tulia going to be withdrawn?

Texans apparently do not have and shame or guilt over their government. They sure are real proud of the state when it comes to success like the lowest number of children covered by health insurance and the highest proportion of low wage jobs created over the past five years. Things to be real proud of.

[popsjumper 2]

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Yes. So it should really be about fixing faults in the process and indicting prosecutors for misconduct than debate over life/executions. If the DA acted with malice, give him the same 18 years served.

Ooooooo....I LIKE that!

The hang-up escape clause is proving "malice".

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[mnealtx 0]

Ah, funjumper's back with the usual bullshit....and like usual... wrong. Guess that happens when the only place you get your 'facts' from is DKos, though.

Texas created 732 THOUSAND jobs in the last 10 years, and 37% of the jobs created since June 09. The median hourly wage is $15.14 and the wage growth is, in fact, the 6th HIGHEST in the nation.

Mike
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[kelpdiver 2]

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Yes. So it should really be about fixing faults in the process and indicting prosecutors for misconduct than debate over life/executions. If the DA acted with malice, give him the same 18 years served.

Ooooooo....I LIKE that!

The hang-up escape clause is proving "malice".

yes, this is challenging to do beyond reasonable doubt. A lawyer's job is to advocate the strongest case possible, not the fairest case possible. But there are actions that clearly step over the line. I believe this was seen in the Duke rape cases.

Perhaps it's enough to have loss of job as a penalty where misconduct was clear, but malice can't not be proven.

[wmw999 2,602]

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A lawyer's job is to advocate the strongest case possible, not the fairest case possible.

I'm sorry, but in the criminal justice system, particularly on the part of the prosecution, that should not be the way it is.

Because rewarding convictions, rather than truth, is exactly how bullshit like this happens.

The prosecution has way more money and resources than the vast majority of defendants.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kelpdiver 2]

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A lawyer's job is to advocate the strongest case possible, not the fairest case possible.

I'm sorry, but in the criminal justice system, particularly on the part of the prosecution, that should not be the way it is.

Because rewarding convictions, rather than truth, is exactly how bullshit like this happens.

I didn't say this is how it should be, just that this is how it is. And certainly they are rewarded for convictions, punished for failures. The DA is an elected position. Thus they plea bargain as much as possible, and *tend* not to file cases that are tenuous. The exceptions are the notorious cases where the public demands action. And that's where we often see the controversial cases.

In cases with a lot of circumstantial evidence and less hard evidence, the DA may believe he has the guilty party and reaches a bit in the presentation of evidence. This may result in a false conviction, esp if the defense or the accused perform badly.

But the concern should be about DAs who know they don't have the right suspect, or who hide evidence that casts doubt. (Same applies to police to fabricate evidence or hide countering evidence).

[wmw999 2,602]

If they really think they have the right guy, they will simply discount the weight of evidence that doesn't help their theory.

You see it all the time in every single venue -- look at the people who look for evidence of nanothermite, of the non-birth of Obama in the US, of the faked moon landing, of the "rightness" of either a leftist or rightist point of view.

It's not the least bit surprising that people ignore contrary evidence in a criminal trial situation too.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[christelsabine 1]

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12 of them on death row.

gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2010/12/anatomy-of-frame-up-more-on-anthony.html

Prosecutorial misconduct.

Seems, JR created your *poll*, no?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[kallend 2,182]

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12 of them on death row.

gritsforbreakfast.blogspot.com/2010/12/anatomy-of-frame-up-more-on-anthony.html

Prosecutorial misconduct.

Seems, JR created your *poll*, no?

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[jclalor 12]

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Texas created 732 THOUSAND jobs in the last 10 years, and 37% of the jobs created since June 09. The median hourly wage is $15.14 and the wage growth is, in fact, the 6th HIGHEST in the nation.

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Texas created 732 THOUSAND jobs in the last 10 years, and 37% of the jobs created since June 09. The median hourly wage is $15.14 and the wage growth is, in fact, the 6th HIGHEST in the nation.

Mostly government jobs, but I guess you probably knew that.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2011/08/16/how-rick-perry-created-jobs-in-texas

[jclalor 12]

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***Texas created 732 THOUSAND jobs in the last 10 years, and 37% of the jobs created since June 09. The median hourly wage is $15.14 and the wage growth is, in fact, the 6th HIGHEST in the nation.

Mostly government jobs, but I guess you probably knew that.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2011/08/16/how-rick-perry-created-jobs-in-texas

Jan 2001 - Dec 2010:
Gov't jobs: +290k
Non-farm jobs: +903k

Since Jun 09:
Gov't: +29.7k
Non-farm: +234k

You were saying?

[mnealtx 0]

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***Texas created 732 THOUSAND jobs in the last 10 years, and 37% of the jobs created since June 09. The median hourly wage is $15.14 and the wage growth is, in fact, the 6th HIGHEST in the nation.

Mostly government jobs, but I guess you probably knew that.

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/rick-newman/2011/08/16/how-rick-perry-created-jobs-in-texas

Jan 2001 - Dec 2010:
Gov't jobs: +290k
Non-farm jobs: +903k

Since Jun 09:
Gov't: +29.7k
Non-farm: +234k

You were saying?

Your original post said 732,000 jobs, your reply now claims about 1,200,000 jobs. what non-cited claim are you going with?

[popsjumper 2]

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I'm sorry, but in the criminal justice system, particularly on the part of the prosecution, that should not be the way it is. Because rewarding convictions, rather than truth, is exactly how bullshit like this happens.

leads to this....

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If they really think they have the right guy, they will simply discount the weight of evidence that doesn't help their theory.

Which causes this....

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It's not the least bit surprising that people ignore contrary evidence in a criminal trial situation too.

Criminal justice has never been about "truth". It's always been about winning and effective persuasion.

Prosecutors get kudos for winning, same as defenders.
In order to win, they select the best possible elements that would allow them to effectively persuade a jury (or judge) to agree with their presentation. It's the nature of the game and it is wrong.

The idea of a "fair trial" is bogus simply for that reason...it's not about "truth".

There is no fix for it as far as I can see.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239