kelpdiver 2 #51 October 10, 2011 Quote With all due respect. What's the standing of Harvard or MIT collegiate sports??? (Harvard, MIT are totally overrated, but just for the sake of argument.) Quote The Director's Cup is a title/award given to the NCAA program with the greatest success across all sports. The winner last year was Stanford. The runner up was Cal (Berkeley). These are two of the top 10 universities in the world. UCLA has more NCAA championships than any other school in history. Clearly sports aren't hurting these 3. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #52 October 10, 2011 Quote Show me any one Apple device "Made in the USA!" Designed in the USA, yes! Without a doubt! But MADE?! Unfortunately, designing things won't keep Americans employed. It is a one-time endeavor!!! Making things is what supports a middle class and society. "I think you have it so wrong it's mind-boggling." The last project Jobs was working on is the new Apple campus, It looks like a massive donut spaceship landed in a forest. It will continue to employ thousands at a very high average salary. There's nothing one time about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #53 October 10, 2011 Quote You're right. What was I thinking. Of course across the entire country there were 103,000 people hired in September for the 6,200,000 people that have been out of a job and are looking for work. So your chances of actually landing a job in September was roughly 1 in 60. My god, that really IS a job for everyone! Hurray! That was 103,000 jobs ADDED. Surely you don't think the only hires made are for new jobs. People leave one job for another, due to better circumstances, a need to change location, etc. Companies certainly are hiring - you clearly understand this when you cite the job report. Since you have a penchant for strict literalism - you'll now need to rephrase your lament to something truthful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bakerjan 0 #54 October 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Look at Germany...does not involve itself in foreign wars, just to keep ppl employed thru the industrial-military complex... Achtung! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan Attention, mon ami! UN-mandate, ISAF ........... See a difference, there? a**** Non, quelle différence? Germany has the most solders there except USA that is also there on UN-mandate, ISAF. Quel est différent? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Belgian_Draft 0 #55 October 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteWant to guess again how many of those 6 million are honestly looking for work? Not very fucking many. Your comments seem to imply that all jobs are equivalent (IOW "a job is a job"). People who are looking for work should take the first thing that is available, regardless of training, pay, location, etc. Otherwise, they are not "honestly looking for work". I am not looking for work, but let's say I was for the sake of example. I have invested a lot of time and money in my education (BSc, Master's, PhD, five years of postdoctoral work, 15 years working in higher education and biomedical research). Is it unreasonable that I would look for work that uses the training I have invested all this time and effort to obtain? Is it unreasonable that I would look for a job that pays me for the skills I have worked hard to develop? Am I being dishonest if I pass over minimum-wage unskilled labor while seeking a position in biotech or higher education? At the moment, there are a few areas of the US where the employment situation is not so dire. Perhaps I could find a job in the energy sector in North Dakota. But, I have a lot of money invested in my house in (let's say) California, and if forced to sell to move to North Dakota I would have to accept less money than is owing on the mortgage, and so I would have to declare bankruptcy or have a foreclosure on my credit record. On the other hand, I have enough of a "rainy day fund" saved to survive for another six months or so, and I have good reason to believe that biotech is going to be hiring in my area soon. Am I being "dishonest" by deciding to try to hang on for a while where I am, and not default on my mortgage and uproot the family to move to North Dakota today in hopes of being able to find something once I get there? Your "a job is a job" attitude only applies to unskilled workers who have invested little or nothing in acquiring a specialized skill set, or to those relatively few whose skills are potentially in demand regardless of location (welders such as yourself, and perhaps nurses and truck drivers), and who have no significant financial ties to their community. Although people have always had to be prepared to move to get the top-end jobs, in a healthy economy educated people should not have to move across the country and discard all their training just to find a menial labor job. Don If you saved enough to live on and sustain the standard of living you want until you find a job, then there is nothing wrong at all with holding out for the job you want...as long as you aren't collecting welfare while you do so. But, if you are barely scraping by on welfare and foodstamps, you best take any job you can get regardless of education. In a healty economy people don't have to always move to get the job they want but the fact remains you can't get a job running a 50,000 acre ranch in New Jersey and there isn't much demand for a corporate lawyer in Spotted Horse, Wyoming.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 3 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. 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kelpdiver 2 #52 October 10, 2011 Quote Show me any one Apple device "Made in the USA!" Designed in the USA, yes! Without a doubt! But MADE?! Unfortunately, designing things won't keep Americans employed. It is a one-time endeavor!!! Making things is what supports a middle class and society. "I think you have it so wrong it's mind-boggling." The last project Jobs was working on is the new Apple campus, It looks like a massive donut spaceship landed in a forest. It will continue to employ thousands at a very high average salary. There's nothing one time about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #53 October 10, 2011 Quote You're right. What was I thinking. Of course across the entire country there were 103,000 people hired in September for the 6,200,000 people that have been out of a job and are looking for work. So your chances of actually landing a job in September was roughly 1 in 60. My god, that really IS a job for everyone! Hurray! That was 103,000 jobs ADDED. Surely you don't think the only hires made are for new jobs. People leave one job for another, due to better circumstances, a need to change location, etc. Companies certainly are hiring - you clearly understand this when you cite the job report. Since you have a penchant for strict literalism - you'll now need to rephrase your lament to something truthful. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bakerjan 0 #54 October 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Look at Germany...does not involve itself in foreign wars, just to keep ppl employed thru the industrial-military complex... Achtung! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Armed_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan Attention, mon ami! UN-mandate, ISAF ........... See a difference, there? a**** Non, quelle différence? Germany has the most solders there except USA that is also there on UN-mandate, ISAF. Quel est différent? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belgian_Draft 0 #55 October 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteWant to guess again how many of those 6 million are honestly looking for work? Not very fucking many. Your comments seem to imply that all jobs are equivalent (IOW "a job is a job"). People who are looking for work should take the first thing that is available, regardless of training, pay, location, etc. Otherwise, they are not "honestly looking for work". I am not looking for work, but let's say I was for the sake of example. I have invested a lot of time and money in my education (BSc, Master's, PhD, five years of postdoctoral work, 15 years working in higher education and biomedical research). Is it unreasonable that I would look for work that uses the training I have invested all this time and effort to obtain? Is it unreasonable that I would look for a job that pays me for the skills I have worked hard to develop? Am I being dishonest if I pass over minimum-wage unskilled labor while seeking a position in biotech or higher education? At the moment, there are a few areas of the US where the employment situation is not so dire. Perhaps I could find a job in the energy sector in North Dakota. But, I have a lot of money invested in my house in (let's say) California, and if forced to sell to move to North Dakota I would have to accept less money than is owing on the mortgage, and so I would have to declare bankruptcy or have a foreclosure on my credit record. On the other hand, I have enough of a "rainy day fund" saved to survive for another six months or so, and I have good reason to believe that biotech is going to be hiring in my area soon. Am I being "dishonest" by deciding to try to hang on for a while where I am, and not default on my mortgage and uproot the family to move to North Dakota today in hopes of being able to find something once I get there? Your "a job is a job" attitude only applies to unskilled workers who have invested little or nothing in acquiring a specialized skill set, or to those relatively few whose skills are potentially in demand regardless of location (welders such as yourself, and perhaps nurses and truck drivers), and who have no significant financial ties to their community. Although people have always had to be prepared to move to get the top-end jobs, in a healthy economy educated people should not have to move across the country and discard all their training just to find a menial labor job. Don If you saved enough to live on and sustain the standard of living you want until you find a job, then there is nothing wrong at all with holding out for the job you want...as long as you aren't collecting welfare while you do so. But, if you are barely scraping by on welfare and foodstamps, you best take any job you can get regardless of education. In a healty economy people don't have to always move to get the job they want but the fact remains you can't get a job running a 50,000 acre ranch in New Jersey and there isn't much demand for a corporate lawyer in Spotted Horse, Wyoming.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
