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What's Wrong w/ the USA, Steve Jobs

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Admittedly, he was a transformative figure. He made billions while the middle class suffered.

But a country/ economy cannot survive on a "winner-takes-all" paradigm. What an economy really needs is a strong, accomplished middle-class.

Look at Germany: trade surplus w/ China. Socially stable. Also does not involve itself in foreign wars, just to keep ppl employed thru the industrial-military complex. And let's not even talk about the industrial-educational complex which is beyond ridiculous in this country. (For example, how much does a collegiate football team contribute academically???)

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(For example, how much does a collegiate football team contribute academically???)



I think you underestimate how much money gets pumped into a college due to sports. That money drives enrollment, which helps drive programs, which helps drive research...it can be a significant contribution.
--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

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With all due respect. What's the standing of Harvard or MIT collegiate sports??? (Harvard, MIT are totally overrated, but just for the sake of argument.)

Also,if I wanted to receive the best education in Science, Technology, Engineering. How would a competitive collegiate football team contribute to my endeavors???

Only in the USA.

RIDICULOUS.

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(For example, how much does a collegiate football team contribute academically???)



I think you underestimate how much money gets pumped into a college due to sports. That money drives enrollment, which helps drive programs, which helps drive research...it can be a significant contribution.

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With all due respect. What's the standing of Harvard or MIT collegiate sports??? (Harvard, MIT are totally overrated, but just for the sake of argument.)

Also,if I wanted to receive the best education in Science, Technology, Engineering. How would a competitive collegiate football team contribute to my endeavors???

Only in the USA.

RIDICULOUS.



How much do they cost? How much do they cost compared to a quality public school?
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Look at Germany



Germany is a modern day success story. Germans are educated and they work hard. Two things some Americans (as well as people from many other countries) should emulate. But there is a reason why Germany does not run around getting involved in wars (LOL well at least modern wars). I think you should consult some history books if you are not aware why Germany lays pretty low these days with their military.


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Yes, I did.
I moved out of Texas (Harris Cty.) a long time ago!!!

Now, I feel like living on a whole different planet.

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You haven't moved yet?



Last year you were about to exercise your dual citizenship - did you suddenly realize the grass wasn't as green as you thought it was?
Mike
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Man, I have lived more places when you ever will.

FL, OR, CO, TX, GA.
Europe, USA, Latin America.

You think you are up to snuff?

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Yes, I did.
I moved out of Texas (Harris Cty.) a long time ago!!!

Now, I feel like living on a whole different planet.

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You haven't moved yet?



Last year you were about to exercise your dual citizenship - did you suddenly realize the grass wasn't as green as you thought it was?

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Man, I have lived more places when you ever will.

FL, OR, CO, TX, GA.
Europe, USA, Latin America.



WI, TX, LA, MA, IA

Germany, Italy, Bosnia, Kosovo, Saudi Arabia, Phillipine Islands.

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You think you are up to snuff?



Looks like....done trying to brag now?

So, again.... last year, you were ready to exercise your dual citizenship - did you suddenly realize the grass wasn't as green as you thought it was?
Mike
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NO EFEN WAY!!! ARE U NUTS?
Just think for a moment,
WHY DO FREE AMERICANS VILIFY AMERICAN SUCCESS.
we have no one to blame ,but ourselves.
BLAME ONE OF THE GREATEST AMERICAN, NO THE WORLDS GREATEST,Innovator, Inventor,Employer,Wealth creators, we have ever Known!!! ALL ON THE DAY AFTER HIS DEATH.
THEN BLAME HIM FOR OUR GOV'T WRONGS.
HENRY FORD, Thomas Edison, Don't even Compare to this Man, and your going to bash him because the middle class is being screwed.
Want to blame someone Look no further then your VOTE.
He started in his garage,walked 6 miles to get a free meal at a soup kitchen,because he was broke.
We all have a lot to learn form this mans life

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Admittedly, he was a transformative figure. He made billions while the middle class suffered.



I think you have it so wrong it's mind-boggling.

While it's true that a lot of the products Apple makes are made outside of the US, these are jobs that didn't exist in the US to begin with anyway.

When people talk about "job creators," for a fantastic example, look no further than Steve Jobs. Hundreds of thousands of people have jobs because of the product categories he invented. Hundreds of small businesses popped up to create accessories for them and hundreds of programmers created applications to run on them.

We need a LOT more people that can invent nexus devices that spawn jobs.
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If you think the middle class suffered while he made billions, try to imagine what being middle class today would be like if Steve and others like him were, like you, content to just collect a paycheck and didn't pursue their dreams and ideas.
Sure he made billions. But what he made is peanuts compared to the overall contributions he made to society.
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Show me any one Apple device "Made in the USA!" Designed in the USA, yes! Without a doubt! But MADE?!

Unfortunately, designing things won't keep Americans employed. It is a one-time endeavor!!!
Making things is what supports a middle class and society.

"I think you have it so wrong it's mind-boggling."




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Admittedly, he was a transformative figure. He made billions while the middle class suffered.



I think you have it so wrong it's mind-boggling.

While it's true that a lot of the products Apple makes are made outside of the US, these are jobs that didn't exist in the US to begin with anyway.

When people talk about "job creators," for a fantastic example, look no further than Steve Jobs. Hundreds of thousands of people have jobs because of the product categories he invented. Hundreds of small businesses popped up to create accessories for them and hundreds of programmers created applications to run on them.

We need a LOT more people that can invent nexus devices that spawn jobs.

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So, what's the benefit of an ipad2 to those 3 billion people on earth who are trying to survive on less than $2/ day???
And actually may die tomorrow for lack of food or water????

Apple is overrated. (I have three Macs and two iPads.) But it is a luxury for those who do not need to worry daily about sustenance.


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If you think the middle class suffered while he made billions, try to imagine what being middle class today would be like if Steve and others like him were, like you, content to just collect a paycheck and didn't pursue their dreams and ideas.
Sure he made billions. But what he made is peanuts compared to the overall contributions he made to society.

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So, what's the benefit of an ipad2 to those 3 billion people on earth who are trying to survive on less than $2/ day???
And actually may die tomorrow for lack of food or water????

Apple is overrated. (I have three Macs and two iPads.) But it is a luxury for those who do not need to worry daily about sustenance.


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If you think the middle class suffered while he made billions, try to imagine what being middle class today would be like if Steve and others like him were, like you, content to just collect a paycheck and didn't pursue their dreams and ideas.
Sure he made billions. But what he made is peanuts compared to the overall contributions he made to society.



So you blame Steve Jobs for the situation those people are in?
40 years ago we laughed at the thought of a small handheld device that enabled people to communicate thousands of miles apart. Today, we not only have such a device, we laugh at the crude simplicity of those we saw in Star Trek.
Tens of thousands of lives have been saved by people having access to cell phones, home computers, internet access, and other personel electronics.
Sure, iPhones and iPads, etc. are not made in the USA. But they ARE made somewhere and those people have jobs that would not exist but for people like Steve Jobs. Or maybe enhancing the lives of people in other countries doesn't count?
Even though the devices are produced elsewhere, there are still tens of thousands of jobs created for people selling these devices and servicing them. Add to that the enormous amount of accessories available for them.
Let's talk taxes. Try to imagine the local and state sales tax revenue generated by the sale of the devices Steve and his peers created. Steve's lifetime income would be a drop in the bucket compared to that.
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To all unemployed Texans who have marketable job skills (especially in the oil patch) look to Alberta Canada if you are having trouble finding work in your state. In Alberta you will find many things similar to Texas. Of course it is not 100% the same. Substitute TX's insanely hot summers and instead insert Alberta's incredibly cold winters (does it really matter, insanely hot is just as insane as our cold, they are both insane). Substitute TX's insane attitude towards football and instead insert Alberta's love of hockey (we also like and support football too, but are no where near as talented and could use some good coaching on how to become better). Finally substitute the dislike many (not all) Americans have towards Texas with the dislike many (not all) Canadians have with Alberta and Texans who have marketable job skills will find a new friendly home with their northern cousin. However I should warn you, we are not perfect. We like people who take responsibility for their own actions. People looking to sponge off the government do need to apply elsewhere. I should know. I grew up in a part of the world where sponging off the government was the norm and the good people of Alberta taught me that hard work (while not perfect) does pay dividends. Maybe if more people worked as hard as the Germans, worked as hard as hard as Albertans then they would not feel the need to feel like victims of the world. Whoever told you life would be easy, was clearly lying to you. ;)



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I think you underestimate how much money gets pumped into a college due to sports. That money drives enrollment, which helps drive programs, which helps drive research...it can be a significant contribution.



If that translates into better education, then great. If it does not, then what is the point....?

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Look at Germany: .... Also does not involve itself in foreign wars....



You're fucking joking RIGHT?

It is probably because of the 2nd world war ... that Germany is as strong as it is and The U.K now is so weak .... no body rebuilt OUR industrial base after we lost it helping to save Europe... remind me ... who won the war?

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So, what's the benefit of an ipad2 to those 3 billion people on earth who are trying to survive on less than $2/ day???
And actually may die tomorrow for lack of food or water????

Apple is overrated. (I have three Macs and two iPads.) But it is a luxury for those who do not need to worry daily about sustenance.

If you can afford three Macs and two iPads (not to mention jumping out of airplanes for fun), you are fabulously wealthy compared to those trying to survive on less than $2/day. So why don't you enlighten us about what YOU are doing to create jobs for those 3 billion people. For that matter, why don't you let us know about the devices you developed that employ thousands, or the medical breakthroughs you personally developed that save thousands of lives a year, or the new crops you developed that feed millions who otherwise would have starved, or whatever the hell it is that you do that makes you entitled to point fingers at people like Jobs.

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“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

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