Butters 0 #1 October 6, 2011 ... is real? QuoteThere is no public record of the operations or decisions of the panel, which is a subset of the White House's National Security Council, several current and former officials said. Neither is there any law establishing its existence or setting out the rules by which it is supposed to operate."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #2 October 6, 2011 That's not a "death panel" ...it's a "kill panel". Subtle difference there. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #3 October 6, 2011 QuoteThat's not a "death panel" ...it's a "kill panel". Subtle difference there. Star Chamber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Chamber Wiki Clicky for those who don't know the term."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #4 October 6, 2011 QuoteThey accuse Obama of hypocrisy, noting his administration insisted on publishing Bush-era administration legal memos justifying the use of interrogation techniques many equate with torture, but refused to make public its rationale for killing a citizen without due process."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #5 October 6, 2011 All the people that were very vocal about Bush appear to be very quiet about Obama ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #6 October 6, 2011 Only "death panel" types I've heard lately are Tea Partyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #7 October 6, 2011 QuoteOnly "death panel" types I've heard lately are Tea Partyers. Are you saying the (kill, death, etc...) panel isn't real?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #8 October 6, 2011 >Are you saying the (kill, death, etc...) panel isn't real? No more so than your local DA has a "death panel" that tells cops to go kill suspects. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #9 October 6, 2011 Quote>Are you saying the (kill, death, etc...) panel isn't real? No more so than your local DA has a "death panel" that tells cops to go kill suspects. The possible answers were yes and no. I'll make it easier. Do you believe a target list exists? If you do, do you believe a panel that places individuals on the target list exists?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #10 October 6, 2011 >The possible answers were yes and no. I'll make it easier. Do you >believe a target list exists? Yes. >If you do, do you believe a panel that places individuals on the target list >exists? Yes. Now, do you believe that your local DA has a target list? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #11 October 6, 2011 Quote>The possible answers were yes and no. I'll make it easier. Do you >believe a target list exists? Yes. >If you do, do you believe a panel that places individuals on the target list >exists? Yes. Now, do you believe that your local DA has a target list? You really don't see a difference do you. It's amazing how some people will twist and turn what they claim is right and wrong depending on which side of the fence they're standing on when it's happening ..."That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #12 October 6, 2011 >You really don't see a difference do you. The possible answers were yes and no. I'll ask it again. Do you believe your DA has a target list? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #13 October 6, 2011 Quote>You really don't see a difference do you. The possible answers were yes and no. I'll ask it again. Do you believe your DA has a target list? Yes. Do you believe that being on the target list of the DA gives law enforcement the authority to plan a raid with the sole purpose of killing you and then not release any information?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #14 October 6, 2011 >Yes. Agreed! >Do you believe that being on the target list of the DA gives law >enforcement the authority to plan a raid with the sole purpose of killing >you and then not release any information? It gives them the authority to plan a raid with the _primary_ purpose of capturing you. And if that becomes difficult and they have to kill you (say, you pull a gun then try to escape) then it gives them that authority as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Butters 0 #15 October 6, 2011 Quote>Yes. Agreed! >Do you believe that being on the target list of the DA gives law >enforcement the authority to plan a raid with the sole purpose of killing >you and then not release any information? It gives them the authority to plan a raid with the _primary_ purpose of capturing you. And if that becomes difficult and they have to kill you (say, you pull a gun then try to escape) then it gives them that authority as well. There in lies the difference between the target lists. With one they can plan a raid with the _primary_ purpose of killing you while with the other the _primary_ purpose has to be of capturing you. Now that we've settled that ... how do you feel about a government panel that can place you on a target list that gives the government the authority to kill you without releasing any information at any time?"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 October 6, 2011 Quote... how do you feel about a government panel that can place you on a target list that gives the government the authority to kill you without releasing any information at any time? It makes me hungry... wait, nevermind, it's just lunchtime ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #17 October 6, 2011 Your DA can not make Kill the primary objective, the primary objective is to capture. Killing is secondary result of a raid, but it isn't the primary objective right? I have never seen a cruise missle or a drone issue a no knock warrant and cuff a terrorist. The only objective there is KILL."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #18 October 6, 2011 QuoteIt gives them the authority to plan a raid with the _primary_ purpose of capturing you. And if that becomes difficult and they have to kill you (say, you pull a gun then try to escape) then it gives them that authority as well. Whoa, now! This is a bit different. by now, my placement of DAs at the top of my legal shit list should be well known, as is my lack of trust in cops. However... I haven't yet heard of a recent circumstance where DAs or cops have created a kill list operating extrajudicially. In fact, any time an officer goes out to raid someplace (have snipers in place, SWAT assistance, etc.) it’s because they have warrants signed off by judicial officers OR there is an exigent circumstance with a suspect barricaded, etc. I can think of something similar – when the Philadelphia police helicopter dropped a few pounds of C-4 onto a house in Philly that killed about a dozen people back in 1985, but even that ridiculousness came during an armed shootout. Or during the North Hollywood shootout, when Emil Mataserenaeu (or however the hell his last name is spelled) was handcuffed and left to bleed to death for about an hour. But that one was more along the lines of combat. Now if the DA had some clandestine group that put out a “capture or kill list” and had police helicopters blowing away cars of suspects on freeways, then I can see a similarity. By the way, it turns out the attack killed another American citizen who was not on the kill list. A bad guy and an admitted traitor, but he was snuffed out by the same hellfire as collateral damage. His death creates and even GREATER argument – he wasn’t even on the capture or kill list. At least, not that we know of. But he was killed, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #19 October 6, 2011 Call me naive if you want but I would think that there would be secret forms of government that have been around far longer than the current or previous administration. Hence the term 'secret'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #20 October 7, 2011 QuoteCall me naive if you want but I would think that there would be secret forms of government that have been around far longer than the current or previous administration. Hence the term 'secret'. I was aware of their existence while in the USAF, 60-65, stationed at Hurlburt AFB, FL. One of the era's most notable examples, the assassination of President Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother Ngo Dinh Nhu in South Vietnam, 1963. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB101/index.htmLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #21 October 10, 2011 And now Obama's death panel wants men to die of prostate cancer.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 October 10, 2011 Quote And now Obama's death panel wants men to die of prostate cancer. I love this That is just the part of the story used to re-direct your attention Did you happen to find more to the story yet? "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,154 #23 October 10, 2011 Quote Quote And now Obama's death panel wants men to die of prostate cancer. I love this That is just the part of the story used to re-direct your attention Did you happen to find more to the story yet? Here.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #24 October 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote And now Obama's death panel wants men to die of prostate cancer. I love this That is just the part of the story used to re-direct your attention Did you happen to find more to the story yet? Here. Nope You linked the part of the story they want to pay attention to. Try again"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 October 10, 2011 Poke around and research the IPAB"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
