Ready for a laugh? Finally the WS protesters' list o' demands.

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while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god.......but not to everyone else John

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And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god.......but not to everyone else John

Personally, I'll read and consider the opinion (as long as it's not too long or boring ) of people who have spent a lifetime studying something in an academic environment. I might disagree with it, but dang -- those guys have spent a lifetime defending their thoughts in a competitive environment, where making the other guy look like a moron helps you towards tenure.

Publication is a trap for many, but having a body of work that's been attacked, and changed based on those attacks, is a sign of something that's alive and at least worth including in my thought process.

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while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god.......but not to everyone else John

The comparison, since you seem to have forgotten, was with Rush Limbaugh. Do you REALLY choose to believe Rush Limbaugh?

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while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god.......but not to everyone else John

The comparison, since you seem to have forgotten, was with Rush Limbaugh. Do you REALLY choose to believe Rush Limbaugh?

On some things yes, because they're logical, and as we just discussed, one does not to be from the upper crust to have valid arguments.

Just as I find myself agreeing with Jon Stewart sometimes, even though he isn't Ivy League either and does tend to lean left of center.

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while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god.......but not to everyone else John

The comparison, since you seem to have forgotten, was with Rush Limbaugh. Do you REALLY choose to believe Rush Limbaugh?

On some things yes,

There goes your credibility.

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while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god.......but not to everyone else John

The comparison, since you seem to have forgotten, was with Rush Limbaugh. Do you REALLY choose to believe Rush Limbaugh?

On some things yes,

There goes your credibility.

Because he and I have the same stance on some issues...wow.

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while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god.......but not to everyone else John

The comparison, since you seem to have forgotten, was with Rush Limbaugh. Do you REALLY choose to believe Rush Limbaugh?

On some things yes,

There goes your credibility.

Because he and I have the same stance on some issues...wow.

Just as I wrote.

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www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/panic-of-the-plutocrats.html

Explains the GOP overreaction very nicely.

That's like someone posting an article by Rush Limbaugh about democrats and expecting you to take it seriously.

Except Rush is a lame joke while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

I notice you had no rebuttal to the content.

Yes, he's an economics professor at Princeton, yet his economic views are illogical and Keynsian, but he's still a lame joke.

Belonging to the ivory towers of the ivy league doesn't make your views on economics infallible, of which he is an example incarnate.

I'll take Milton Friedman, he won a nobel prize which is apparently the end all of credibility debates today.

I don't take his content seriously because I don't take him seriously.

I don't take Friedman seriously either. However, since you bring up the subject, Krugman won the 2008 Nobel Prize in Economics.

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www.nytimes.com/2011/10/10/opinion/panic-of-the-plutocrats.html

Explains the GOP overreaction very nicely.

That's like someone posting an article by Rush Limbaugh about democrats and expecting you to take it seriously.

Except Rush is a lame joke while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

I notice you had no rebuttal to the content.

Yes, he's an economics professor at Princeton, yet his economic views are illogical and Keynsian, but he's still a lame joke.

Belonging to the ivory towers of the ivy league doesn't make your views on economics infallible, of which he is an example incarnate.

I'll take Milton Friedman, he won a nobel prize which is apparently the end all of credibility debates today.

I don't take his content seriously because I don't take him seriously.

I don't take Friedman seriously either. However, since you bring up the subject, Krugman won the 2008 Nobel Prize in Economics.

I know he did, which is why I brought up Friedman as the nobel winner "in my corner" so to speak.

The feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo

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>And for YOU and WHERE you come from that makes him a god . . .

Hmm. I bet that if you talked to a skydiver who had competed with Airspeed for a few years you'd think he was a pretty good skydiver too, based purely on where he came from.

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Am I the only one who read those 'demands' and figured they must be a joke? A couple of them are opposite views. Eliminate free trade of goods, but allow it for employment? Two ends of the spectrum at once.

I thought it was a bit of a lark. I still do.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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>Am I the only one who read those 'demands' and figured they must be a joke?

Or just something someone threw together quickly without much real thought. Sort of the converse of insisting the government keep their hands off someone's social security check.

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Except Rush is a lame joke while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

And the investment vehicles that led to the death of Bear Stearns and Goldman Sachs and the like were the brainchilds of just these kinds of brilliant thinkers. It wasn’t Rush Limbaugh or Sarah Palin or Joe Blow off the street who came up with it. It took a certain type of intellectual brilliance that only higher education can achieve, the sequellae of which was the dulling of the type of sense seen in commoners and horses.

My best friend on this earth (besides my wife) is a lawyer. He’s also a Ph.D. in economics and is a post-keynesian thinker. A tried and trued Canadian pinko. He was, however, a student. And he noted to me often that economics is a “dismal science.” And ask a group of economists about something and if they are well studied enough they wil all have different answers. It’s why he calls himself “post-keynesian” – there are different schools of thought.

Is Krugman wrong? He’s no more wrong than he is correct. And I'll put that pedigree of educational attainment to show us all that dropouts like Bill Gates and Steve Jobs were but mere peasants who had no idea what they were doing.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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>And the investment vehicles that led to the death of Bear Stearns and
>Goldman Sachs and the like were the brainchilds of just these kinds of
>brilliant thinkers.

Agreed. And the engineers who designed the Space Shuttle made some huge mistakes that resulted in a lot of death and destruction. Still, I'd find them to be more authoritative on the construction of spacecraft than Sarah Palin.

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No doubt. But again, those engineers and scientists and techs worked with the people who would be flying the Shuttle.

And of course, economists would be looking at ways to make the economy be what they want - regardless of what the market wants. Engineers give you what you want. What we want for society is politicall - and that's what makes it so touchy...

Trust in economists to give some scientific wild-ass guesses about where to take the economy. And it's the politics - where do we want this to go - that causes debate. Much like the climate change debate, science would be used as an adjunct to policy. "Economists say that the way to x is this!" And whether we want to go to "x" is lost, those in opposition will be anti-science...

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Just as I find myself agreeing with Jon Stewart sometimes, even though he isn't Ivy League either and does tend to lean left of center.

www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-how-are-the-occupy-wall-street-protesters-not-like-the-tea-party/

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>Engineers give you what you want.

Well, not quite. Good engineers listen to what they are asked for and then give the customer what will best solve his problem - and that often is significantly different than what they said they wanted. Good economic advisers (i.e. economists with customers) do the same thing. Examples abound for both.

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I notice you had no rebuttal to the content.

meh...

you've so frequently resorted to playing the player, not the game, that your arguments here have about as much credibility as mine.

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Except Rush is a lame joke while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

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Is this the same Krugman who was on an advisory panel for ENRON?


That was rhetorical.

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Except Rush is a lame joke while Krugman is an economics professor at Princeton who has also had faculty posts at MIT, Stanford and Yale.

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Is this the same Krugman who was on an advisory panel for ENRON?


That was rhetorical.

That's only bad when the person supports the conservatives.

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They're here in Fresno. From the local news:

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Occupy Fresno gave a statement Monday evening and said the protesting won't stop until change happens but its unclear exactly what change these protesters want

This is what happens when feeling replaces thought.

They're pissed off.

About what? Corporate greed.

So what do they do? Protest!

And what do they hope to accomplish? Um. End of corporate greed!

How will you end corporate greed? By protesting.

When will you know that corporate greed has ended? When we stop protesting.


This is, it seems, the difference between the "Tea Party" and the "Occupy " - it's pretty clear what the tea partiers want and how it will be measured - thinking and feeling. The Occupiers haven't applied any mental power to what they're doing. They are legitimately identifying what they see as a problem but offering no solutions.

Three weeks and no ideas on what change they're looking for? Yeah. That's called "wasting time."

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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>it's pretty clear what the tea partiers want and how it will be measured . . .

When the government finally gets their hands off Social Security? When Obama admits he's a Muslim from Kenya? When Pelosi is hanged?

Both have replaced thought with emotion. Makes for great sound bites, but no actual progress.

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>it's pretty clear what the tea partiers want and how it will be measured . . .

When the government finally gets their hands off Social Security? When Obama admits he's a Muslim from Kenya? When Pelosi is hanged?

Both have replaced thought with emotion. Makes for great sound bites, but no actual progress.

The TP has thrown out some whacky stuff, but they are at least putting out notions: balanced budget amendment. Ron Paul, the founder, if not leader, has made clear statements about our involvement overseas and a wish to end it.

The Occupiers seem interested in smoking weed in a public venue (as measured by the Bay Area occupations). Only one guy has seen fit to put out proposals and those read like a Marx manifesto.

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Krugman was on a panel of advisers to Enron management in 1999. That was before the "Enron Loophole" and before analysts began to recognize that Enron's books didn't add up.

You don't have to outrun the bear.

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When the government finally gets their hands off Social Security? When Obama admits he's a Muslim from Kenya? When Pelosi is hanged?

Well, yes. The TP is at least putting stuff out. Much of it kooky stuff. Maybe most of it kooky stuff. But it's stuff.

Meanwhile, we have the Occupiers. They want change. Okay. What change do they want? Still waiting.

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Makes for great sound bites, but no actual progress.

I think the Tea Party HAS made some progress. Mind you, it's been around for a couple of years so there's been more time to flesh out ideas but even the name "Tea Party" evokes the core ideal. Lower taxes and less government. And the bailout of the banks was the key moment in its rise. Heck, within a couple of months of Obama taking office the ideas were put out there.

Yes, the Occupiers have had less than a month. But right now the Occupiers are seemingly sheep - occupying without any stated purpose of mission. That's the problem.

You are correct - there is emotional bent. Both are based on anger. What will the Occupiers do with it? Camp out, smoke weed and leave messes? Or will they direct their energy toward something coherent?

My wife is hotter than your wife.