beowulf 1
Marinus 0
QuotePoint being, there are those who have blunted their metaphysical/spiritual senses, and claim reality is limited to physical observances. Physical forces have created sentient beings capable of observing its creative handiwork both on a physical and spiritual level. The spiritual mysteries of God must be embraced spiritually.
You make the mistake that non-believers aren't able to use their "spiritual" senses. Many people who stopped believing had "spiritual" experiences, before they lost their faith. I'm one of them, and guess what, I still have the same, what you would call, "spiritual" experiences. I only don't explain those with some made up story any more. It's just feelings now, and to be honest, it's much better to know it's just my own brain making me happy.
I use other terms now since spiritual is just the next meaningless religious term, but words like awe and wonder pretty much do the trick for me now. Btw, "spiritual" feelings are reproducible in controlled experiments, so they're obviously natural phenomena.
Coreece 190
QuoteIt's called apatheism. It doesn't answer the question if god exists, it simply states that the very question "Does god exist?" is so unimportant that it doesn't need to be answered.
I think I'll pass....thanks.
I really don't consider apathy much of a virtue. Sounds horrible having to constantly supress my emotions, thoughts, concerns and excitement toward God...what a burden, though I'm sure it gets easier as you finally snuff out the flame.
Apatheism proves Romans one when it says they supress the truth.
"The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about." - Wayne Dyer
It's seems tragic to ignore the question of God's exsistence by supressing the curiosty in your heart and mind to explore it, and then justify that rejection by taking somebody elses word that it's simply unimportant.
Now if you at least explore the possibility either objectively or not, pro or con...you certainly cannot be an apatheist.
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Coreece 190
QuoteThe anthropomorphic Abrahamic god you mostly refer too is far more unlikely then that. With unlikely I mean if I start off with 0,000000000.... this moment and start typing zero's till I die of old age, I wouldn't have nearly enough zeros to have typed the probability of that god existing.
...and what formula did you use to come to this conclusion? Certainly it must be dependant on your subjective experiece of God...and if you're an apatheist as you say, and apathy is the highest form of ignorace as we learned earlier from my quote above, you could've easily started off with a 50% probabilty where 50/50 represents maximum ignorance.
...Though I'll agree to this type of rationale being rather poor...it's just funny to think about...
I just don't see the purpose in figuring the probability of God's existence...it's too subjective and pointless.
"I have faith because there is a 10% chance of God's existence!"
"I don't have faith because there is only a 90% chance of God's existence!"
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Coreece 190
QuoteQuotePoint being, there are those who have blunted their metaphysical/spiritual senses, and claim reality is limited to physical observances. Physical forces have created sentient beings capable of observing its creative handiwork both on a physical and spiritual level. The spiritual mysteries of God must be embraced spiritually.
You make the mistake that non-believers aren't able to use their "spiritual" senses. Many people who stopped believing had "spiritual" experiences, before they lost their faith. I'm one of them, and guess what, I still have the same, what you would call, "spiritual" experiences. I only don't explain those with some made up story any more. It's just feelings now, and to be honest, it's much better to know it's just my own brain making me happy.
I use other terms now since spiritual is just the next meaningless religious term, but words like awe and wonder pretty much do the trick for me now. Btw, "spiritual" feelings are reproducible in controlled experiments, so they're obviously natural phenomena.
Given the amount of effort you've displayed in this thread about God, I must admit that you just might be the first and worst apatheist I've ever met...
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kallend 2,121
QuoteQuoteThe anthropomorphic Abrahamic god you mostly refer too is far more unlikely then that. With unlikely I mean if I start off with 0,000000000.... this moment and start typing zero's till I die of old age, I wouldn't have nearly enough zeros to have typed the probability of that god existing.
...and what formula did you use to come to this conclusion? Certainly it must be dependant on your subjective experiece of God...and if you're an apatheist as you say, and apathy is the highest form of ignorace as we learned earlier from my quote above, you could've easily started off with a 50% probabilty where 50/50 represents maximum ignorance.
...Though I'll agree to this type of rationale being rather poor...it's just funny to think about...
I just don't see the purpose in figuring the probability of God's existence...it's too subjective and pointless.
"I have faith because there is a 10% chance of God's existence!"
"I don't have faith because there is only a 90% chance of God's existence!"
Self-referential logic is not a valid argument for anything.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Marinus 0
QuoteI think I'll pass....thanks.
It's not for the faint of heart of course.
QuoteI really don't consider apathy much of a virtue. Sounds horrible having to constantly supress my emotions, thoughts, concerns and excitement toward God...what a burden, though I'm sure it gets easier as you finally snuff out the flame.
The apathy only concerns god, religion and personal faith. And since I don't waste time on that, I can use my emotions, thoughts, concerns and excitement for reality.
Quote"The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about." - Wayne Dyer
You huwt my feewings....
Or not of course, I was raised as a fundamentalist Christian, I was raised as a creationist. The first time I finished reading the bible, I was 7 or 8. I've practised Christianity till I was 22, then my faith slowly died and only at age 30, after 8 years of soul searching (Never found it by the way) I concluded that all religion has to offer was nonsense, and I simply stopped caring. They did a great brainwashing job on me considering the fact that first doubts arose shortly after reading the bible at age 8.
But I'm pretty confident I can wipe the floor with you using only the power of my bible knowledge.
QuoteIt's seems tragic to ignore the question of God's exsistence by supressing the curiosty in your heart and mind to explore it, and then justify that rejection by taking somebody elses word that it's simply unimportant.
Now if you at least explore the possibility either objectively or not, pro or con...you certainly cannot be an apatheist.
See above, If anyone did explore religion in general and Christianity in detail, it has to be me. I took all the time of the world to draw my conclusions.
You also might want to try to be a bit less condescending towards me. I've no problem with Christians in general, (This might or might not be because Western Europe mostly got the pleasant Christians) but I really don't like to be talked down too.
Coreece 190
QuoteYou also might want to try to be a bit less condescending towards me. I've no problem with Christians in general, (This might or might not be because Western Europe mostly got the pleasant Christians) but I really don't like to be talked down too.
Sorry you feel that way. I just don't see how you're an apatheist...you obviosly explored the possibility of God and now you reject it.
Isn't it more accurate to call yourself an apostate?
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Coreece 190
QuoteGiven the amount of effort you've displayed in this thread about God, I must admit that you just might be the first and worst apatheist I've ever met...
Now just to be fair, I just might be the worst Christian you'll ever meet.
The thing I've learned about my drinking, it that the closer I come to alcohol psychosis/hallucinosis/idiosyncratic intoxication, the closer I come to having athiestic tendencies.
My conclusion is that the reduction of neurotoxins into the body will result in a more meaningful and complete relationship with God.
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Marinus 0
Quote...and what formula did you use to come to this conclusion?
I only used one story from the bible. The Great flood. The changes of that happening without leaving a single trace trace afterwards, is impossible. And that's of course not the only impossible story. I was only being nice to explain there's theoretically a very small change everything happened like written in the bile.
Quotewe learned
I didn't get the impression I learned anything from you. I begin to suspect it's very unlikely I'll ever learn anything from you.
QuoteI just don't see the purpose in figuring the probability of God's existence...it's too subjective and pointless.
And scary, because if you start to really think about it, you'll discover that the stories from the bible are extremely implausible.
Coreece 190
now who's being condescending?
I was talking down about apatheism...
It's obvious you're not apathetic...that's a good thing.
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Marinus 0
QuoteGiven the amount of effort you've displayed in this thread about God, I must admit that you just might be the first and worst apatheist I've ever met...
I might be apathetic toward God, but that doesn't mean that religion isn't interesting. I usually don't watch TV, but religion is the only thing that ever made me watch non stop for 10 days. I think it was the middle 10 days of September in the year 2001.
Marinus 0
Quotenow who's being condescending?
I think I've been pretty polite with you. It's obvious you're not going to counter any of my arguments, because you can't. And now I start to loose interest in you. I'm not wasting my time on you any longer.
Goodbye.
Coreece 190
QuoteQuotenow who's being condescending?
I think I've been pretty polite with you. It's obvious you're not going to counter any of my arguments, because you can't. And now I start to loose interest in you. I'm not wasting my time on you any longer.
Goodbye.
Another one bites the dust:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmyyZ7Eh3IQ
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beowulf 1
You don't really think you actually won an argument?!!
Coreece 190
Quote
You don't really think you actually won an argument?!!
Sure...we proved that he's obviously not an apatheist and that his formula for figuring the probability of God's exsistence was based on his personal subjective experience of God.
But, this of course has nothing to do with my Quuen video.
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jakee 1,578
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If all that exists is a result of physical forces then God consciousness for millions of people must be a natural occurrence of the random nature of matter and energy.
So what's your point?
Point being, there are those who have blunted their metaphysical/spiritual senses, and claim reality is limited to physical observances. Physical forces have created sentient beings capable of observing its creative handiwork both on a physical and spiritual level. The spiritual mysteries of God must be embraced spiritually.
What? How on earth do you get from the first statement to that? There is no logical flow or thought process to connect the two.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
beowulf 1
You obviously have a problem with reading comprehension. You didn't prove anything.
Coreece 190
QuoteYou obviously have a problem with reading comprehension. You didn't prove anything.
Fair enough...He proved my point.
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Marinus 0
QuoteAnother one bites the dust:
You're free to believe that. I disagree with it, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. So enjoy your "victory" if you want, I'm among other things also an Utilitarian so I'm totally fine with that. But please don't bore me any longer.
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteAnother one bites the dust:
You're free to believe that. I disagree with it
Of course, you're back...I thought you were gone, done....bit the dust.
You come in here and verbally ejaculate all over the place, then get all defensive when someone tries to clean it up and then run away only to pop back in for one more jab because you just can't help yourself...jeeze...apatheism at it's finest, I guess.
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kallend 2,121
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnother one bites the dust:
You're free to believe that. I disagree with it
Of course, you're back...I thought you were gone, done....bit the dust.
You come in here and verbally ejaculate all over the place, then get all defensive when someone tries to clean it up and then run away only to pop back in for one more jab because you just can't help yourself...jeeze...apatheism at it's finest, I guess.
First you write "we proved that he's obviously not an apatheist", then you write that he's "apatheism at it's finest".
Not that I'd expect any consistency of thought from a bible thumper.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
QuoteNonsense.
Well, Paul you have a different way of seeing things. If it's not impossible, then it follows that it must be possible. Pretty black and white.
QuoteYour position is a bit like saying that because we don't know the last digit of Pi, we can't be sure of its value and therefor "anything is a possibility."
And this synopsis would be correct.
QuoteNo. It's not. We will always continue to improve our precision of knowledge, but to continue to say "anything is a possibility" is simply silly.
OK...you contradict yourself but don't see it. OK.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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I think it's what people made up to explain what they didn't understand.
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