Butters 0
I don't know why anyone continues to argue with Coreece ... he's either a chat bot or a troll. The sooner everyone stops responding the sooner it will go away.
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteSo you are saying all gods are the same? Everyone who worships a god is really worshiping the same god??
Quit shoving your words that reek of halitosis in my mouth...I can't stand the taste.
I am just trying to understand what you are saying. And that is what you seem to be saying.
Well I'm happy to help you through your process of elimination...perhaps I should've made it multiple choice?
...nah, that's no fun.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Coreece 190
QuoteI don't know why anyone continues to argue with Coreece ... he's either a chat bot or a troll. The sooner everyone stops responding the sooner it will go away.
I am human, you are the chat bot...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
beowulf 1
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo you are saying all gods are the same? Everyone who worships a god is really worshiping the same god??
Quit shoving your words that reek of halitosis in my mouth...I can't stand the taste.
I am just trying to understand what you are saying. And that is what you seem to be saying.
Well I'm happy to help you through your process of elimination...perhaps I should've made it multiple choice?
...nah, that's no fun.
So you either can't or won't clarify what you said.
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo you are saying all gods are the same? Everyone who worships a god is really worshiping the same god??
Quit shoving your words that reek of halitosis in my mouth...I can't stand the taste.
I am just trying to understand what you are saying. And that is what you seem to be saying.
Well I'm happy to help you through your process of elimination...perhaps I should've made it multiple choice?
...nah, that's no fun.
So you either can't or won't clarify what you said.
May your journey begin, son:
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4187960;search_string=sought%20wisdom;#4187960
Godspeed...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
jakee 1,577
QuoteYou just blew your credibility.
You do realize that asking for "proof" of the existence of God is THE lamest argument EVER?
The counter is, "prove that he DOESN'T exist" which is just as lame.
Do you see this as a legitimate request for proof?:
Can you prove that you'll never hit your significant other?
How could you possibly prove that at this time?
You fail to realise that "prove it is" and "prove it isn't" are two very different propositions.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,577
QuoteQuoteWhy? Christianity doesn't live up to that criteria. No religion does.
We're talking about the idea of God...where the journey starts.
Up until about 1 or 2 hundred years ago the vast, vast majority of humans on the planet would have believed in some form of mischievous supernatural creatures (where the journey to kleptomaniac elves starts) living near to and secretly interacting with them. Outside of western society (where those beliefs are by no means extinct) most people probably still do. Your 'number of believers' argument carries no water at all.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
billvon 3,090
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>the whole freaking world as witnesses of kleptomaniac elves, you might have a point.
Exactly. Elves who steal stuff. That's absurd.
Now, talking donkeys and snakes are perfectly reasonable, of course.
Exactly. Elves who steal stuff. That's absurd.
Now, talking donkeys and snakes are perfectly reasonable, of course.
QuoteYou do realize that asking for "proof" of the existence of God is THE lamest argument EVER?
The counter is, "prove that he DOESN'T exist" which is just as lame.
QuoteRevisit Logic 101.
Nice work on Logic101.
Trying to apply it to this argument is tough, if not impossible.
People are asking for empirical proof of the metaphysical.
Two different animals....and lame to even ask.
Can YOU show physical proof of any metaphysical event?
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
beowulf 1
QuoteQuoteYou do realize that asking for "proof" of the existence of God is THE lamest argument EVER?
The counter is, "prove that he DOESN'T exist" which is just as lame.QuoteRevisit Logic 101.
Nice work on Logic101.
Trying to apply it to this argument is tough, if not impossible.
People are asking for empirical proof of the metaphysical.
Two different animals....and lame to even ask.
Can YOU show physical proof of any metaphysical event?
Your problem is you are assuming the metaphysical actually exists. There isn't any evidence to support that.
Coreece 190
Quote>the whole freaking world as witnesses of kleptomaniac elves, you might have a point.
Exactly. Elves who steal stuff. That's absurd.
Now, talking donkeys and snakes are perfectly reasonable, of course.
It's not so much about the talking donkey himself, but rather what the talking donkey says.
kleptomaniac elves provide no wisdom whatsoever...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
wolfriverjoe 1,523
QuoteTo be fair, that's just the modern bastardization of faith's definition. As far as OT/NT is concerned, faith is synonymous with trust, no blind belief. And that trust was built on, "Look with your eyes at the what's been done before, what you know is true, etc. and *trust* that I (God) will deliver". God throughout both the OT/NT narrative has been pretty consistent about offering evidence that He is trustworthy, and is pretty big on "Don't follow / believe something blindly." The whole point of miracles and prophecy was to identify true prophets from false ones. After all, if the standard was "No proof, you just have to believe" you could say anything you wanted. You might not agree with the ultimate conclusion / belief system that God exists in any form, but as for the OT/NT narrative, it's pretty clear that faith is not the blind, irrational belief people like to label it today.QuoteThe problem with that argument is that faith is belief without proof.
Faith is trusting that God exists without a need for him to have created the universe.
There's a big difference between having faith without solid proof and blind, irrational faith based on "No evidence whatsoever, just believe what I say."
Science has demonstrated pretty well that the processes for creating the universe don't require God to have done it.
There is no proof, either legal/courtroom (beyond a reasonable doubt) or scientific (repeatable through experimatiation/demonstration) that God exists.
None.
I have faith that God exists, due to things I have experienced and seen.
Miracles if you will. Small ones to be sure, but miracles nonetheless (to me anyway). Purely subjective, not scientific and probably not capable of convincing anyone else, at least those who don't want to be.
And that's ok.
I have that faith. Not blindly, but based on trusting in God
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YujYTVQ4_S0
Skip to 1:25 to find the best definition of "Miracle" I know.
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jakee 1,577
Quotekleptomaniac elves provide no wisdom whatsoever...
How do you know? Have you ever listened to them?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
Excellent... Freakin' excellent..!!!!
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