Gravitymaster 0 #1 September 29, 2011 Finally some truth. Says Bush is not to blame. http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/29/biden-voters-should-blame-obama-not-bush-for-economy/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 September 29, 2011 http://www.amazon.com/Lies-Lying-Liars-Tell-Them/dp/0525947647 Nowhere on the page you linked does Biden say Bush isn't to blame nor does it say, as you're thread title does that Biden blames Obama for the bad economy. What Biden says is about 50% of the people are blaming Obama.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #3 September 29, 2011 Where did the Duck's reply go? We have plenty of tittle baiting on both sides around here!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #4 September 29, 2011 I deleted it. Not worth answering this sort of crap. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 September 29, 2011 Quotehttp://www.amazon.com/Lies-Lying-Liars-Tell-Them/dp/0525947647 The quotes from Biden in the article refute your veiled attempt to call GM a liar. QuoteNowhere on the page you linked does Biden say Bush isn't to blame nor does it say, as you're thread title does that Biden blames Obama for the bad economy. What Biden says is about 50% of the people are blaming Obama. First sentence of the linked story: "Vice President Joe Biden told Florida radio station WLRN on Thursday that voters should hold President Barack Obama, not former President George W. Bush, accountable for the poor state of America’s economy." Direct quotes from Biden: “Right now, understandably — totally legitimate — this is a referendum on Obama and Biden and the nature of the state of the economy,” Biden said. “Even though fifty-some percent of the American people think that the economy tanked because of the last administration, that’s not relevant,” Biden stressed. “What’s relevant is we’re in charge. And right now we are the ones in charge and it’s gotten better, but it hasn’t gotten good enough.” “I don’t blame them for being mad. We’re in charge,” Biden explained.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #6 September 29, 2011 He is talking about the reality surrounding voter mentality, he didn't say that they were responsible for the current economic condition, just that they will be held responsible. There is a difference!"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #7 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuotehttp://www.amazon.com/Lies-Lying-Liars-Tell-Them/dp/0525947647 The quotes from Biden in the article refute your veiled attempt to call GM a liar. I do not now, nor have I ever attempted to call Grav a liar. His sources, on the other hand, clearly are liars and he has been mislead and continues to spread their misleading statements via his inaccurate thread title.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #8 September 29, 2011 Of course Obama has nothing to do with the economic collapse in 2008 (Reagan, Bush, Clinton and GWB all had a hand what resulted in 2008). We all know Obama was given a shit sandwich when he took over in 2009. But he ran on a platform that he would fix things. There is a reason why businesses are not hiring right now and that's because they do not trust Obama. You should not worry too much about a title on a DZ.COM thread that you think is full of lies, and not worry too much about what anyone says around here. But you should be asking yourself why does business not trust Obama. We all know GWB was NOT a fiscal conservative, but Obama is making GWB look like a fiscal conservative with his record spending, his desire to not honor trade agreements with America's existing trading partners and his desire to build walls. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #9 September 29, 2011 QuoteBut you should be asking yourself why does business not trust Obama. The answer is far more simple than what you've suggested. If they hoard their cash reserves and don't hire employees, there's little downside to them. They'll still get by forcing their remaining workers to work harder. Let's face it, in this shitty job market, people will do whatever it takes to keep their jobs. Meanwhile, they get to blame Obama for a horrible economy and by use of their enormous media empires get others to believe Obama is the problem and that the Republican nominee (Whoever the hell that is, it really doesn't matter. He's just going to be a puppet anyway.) will be a better deal for them. The faster they can get the Democratic President out of office (again, it simply doesn't matter who that is), the better it is for the Corporatocracy.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #10 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotehttp://www.amazon.com/Lies-Lying-Liars-Tell-Them/dp/0525947647 The quotes from Biden in the article refute your veiled attempt to call GM a liar. I do not now, nor have I ever attempted to call Grav a liar. His sources, on the other hand, clearly are liars and he has been mislead and continues to spread their misleading statements via his inaccurate thread title. Biden is clearly not saying that Bush is blameless. What he is saying is that people cannot continue to blame Bush. He states "we are in charge". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #11 September 30, 2011 QuoteBiden is clearly not saying that Bush is blameless. Then why did you write, "Finally some truth. Says Bush is not to blame" in your original post?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 September 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteBiden is clearly not saying that Bush is blameless. Then why did you write, "Finally some truth. Says Bush is not to blame" in your original post? It's your interpetation of what I meant. Had you simply asked if I thought he was saying Bush was blameless instead of launching into your usual emotional defense of Obama, I would have expanded on my comment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 September 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteBiden is clearly not saying that Bush is blameless. Then why did you write, "Finally some truth. Says Bush is not to blame" in your original post? It's your interpetation of what I meant. Had you simply asked if I thought he was saying Bush was blameless instead of launching into your usual emotional defense of Obama, I would have expanded on my comment. I see. Your subject line says, "SHOCKER!! Biden Blames Obama for Bad Economy" with two exclamation points no less and your first post says, "Finally some truth. Says Bush is not to blame" but somehow I'm at fault for not understanding you meant something else. Oh-kay . . .quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #14 September 30, 2011 >but somehow I'm at fault for not understanding you meant something else. Of course you are. You have to read the CONTEXT to understand, and to understand that you have to understand whether the speaker is a republican or a democrat. Some examples: Sarah Palin - "He who warned, uh, the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells, and um, makin' sure as he's riding his horse through town to send those warning shots and bells that we were going to be sure and we were going to be free, and we were going to be armed." Conclusion: Sarah Palin really knows her history. Barack Obama - "Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in fifty . . . seven states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit. . . " Conclusion: Barack Obama does not know how many states the US has. Michelle Bachmann - "I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back." Conclusion Michelle Bachmann has used a clever rhetorical device to simply emphasize the importance of what she is saying. Barack Obama - I need "to learn to be thoughtful enough and introspective enough that I wasn't always having to be told that things were unfair. ... But, you know, there's no doubt that ... men are still a little obtuse about this stuff and need to be knocked across the head every once in a while." Conclusion: Barack Obama advocates domestic violence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 September 30, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBiden is clearly not saying that Bush is blameless. Then why did you write, "Finally some truth. Says Bush is not to blame" in your original post? It's your interpetation of what I meant. Had you simply asked if I thought he was saying Bush was blameless instead of launching into your usual emotional defense of Obama, I would have expanded on my comment. I see. Your subject line says, "SHOCKER!! Biden Blames Obama for Bad Economy" with two exclamation points no less and your first post says, "Finally some truth. Says Bush is not to blame" but somehow I'm at fault for not understanding you meant something else. Oh-kay . . . I cant help it if, after hearing the interview, you jumped to the conclusion you did. Seemed pretty obvious to me and others what I meant. So you are blaming ME because YOU misunderstood? Oh-kay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #16 September 30, 2011 [Reply]If they hoard their cash reserves and don't hire employees, there's little downside to them. Interesting. This is exactly what consumers are doing. They aren't spending money because they don't know if they'll have income in the future so they are hoarding their money and spneding on essentials. It turns out that businesses are doing the same thing. Can you blame them, Paul? [Reply]The faster they can get the Democratic President out of office (again, it simply doesn't matter who that is), the better it is for the Corporatocracy. Seems like corporations do well refardless. Republicans say they like corporations and treat them well. Democrats say they hate corporations and treat them even better. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #17 September 30, 2011 Quote[Reply]If they hoard their cash reserves and don't hire employees, there's little downside to them. Interesting. This is exactly what consumers are doing. Negative. Most consumers are spending less because they -don't- have a hoard a cash.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #18 September 30, 2011 ou are both correct. Some consumers aren't spending because they no longer can use their homes as an ATM AND they are worried about the future. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Interesting. This is exactly what consumers are doing.
Negative. Most consumers are spending less because they -don't- have a hoard a cash.
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