jaybird18c 24 #76 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>Prior to 24 weeks, the lungs aren't fully developed, and the baby will >most likely die. Removal would kill the baby. Not if it's a baby. If you claim a baby begins right after conception, then yes. (Of course, by those standards, then by far the #1 babykiller on the planet is - the woman's uterus, Or God, if you prefer.) Completely beside the point Billvon and you know it. It's simply none of your business. Stop being a busybody. Is it anyone's business if we, as a community, decide to "off" your grandmother because she's totatally dependent now on someone else (you maybe) or is costing all of us way too much money? Is her life worth more than that? She may have already passed away (like mine)...however, work with me here. If her life is/was, why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #77 September 29, 2011 >You should be ok with abortion at any time and for any reason from >your perspective. No, no more than I am OK with breast cancer. It is indeed natural - but that doesn't mean that I have to be OK with it. >Would you consider pornography wrong...or evil, Billvon? Depends on how it's made and what it's used for. But made by consenting adults and used by _other_ consenting adults, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #78 September 29, 2011 >Is it anyone's business if we, as a community, decide to "off" your grandmother >because she's totatally dependent now on someone else (you maybe) or is costing all >of us way too much money? "Are you saying society should just let him die?" "(off camera) YES!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #79 September 29, 2011 Quote>You should be ok with abortion at any time and for any reason from >your perspective. No, no more than I am OK with breast cancer. It is indeed natural - but that doesn't mean that I have to be OK with it. >Would you consider pornography wrong...or evil, Billvon? Depends on how it's made and what it's used for. But made by consenting adults and used by _other_ consenting adults, there is nothing inherently wrong with it. Are you ok with child pornography? (I am not to be clear) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #80 September 29, 2011 Quote>Is it anyone's business if we, as a community, decide to "off" your grandmother >because she's totatally dependent now on someone else (you maybe) or is costing all >of us way too much money? "Are you saying society should just let him die?" "(off camera) YES!" You could take it to the extreme and there are examples where "not" providing care would be more humane, however, that's not what I'm talking about. Old people requre more care and are very expensive. Would you be ok with eliminating the ones who are "too much trouble." Or...are they people just like you and me and their lives are as precious as that newborn...and if so...what about that 38 weeker...or that 24 weeker (prior to delivery)? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #81 September 29, 2011 >Are you ok with child pornography? (I am not to be clear) In general, no. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #82 September 29, 2011 Quote>Are you ok with child pornography? (I am not to be clear) In general, no. In general? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #83 September 29, 2011 >In general? Correct. I am not OK with child pornography as most people define it. I am generally OK with some of the more absurd definitions, like a family picture that includes a six year old girl without a top on because it wasn't worth the fight to get her to put it on. That fits some definitions of "child pornography" but is a pretty silly example, one I don't much worry about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 859 #84 September 29, 2011 Must be pretty powerful to chose lives based on one's beliefs. I would hope to not have such a doctor involved in my care. It's my understanding that is not the oath they swear to. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #85 September 29, 2011 Quote>In general? Correct. I am not OK with child pornography as most people define it. I am generally OK with some of the more absurd definitions, like a family picture that includes a six year old girl without a top on because it wasn't worth the fight to get her to put it on. That fits some definitions of "child pornography" but is a pretty silly example, one I don't much worry about. Ok...your exception aside...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #86 September 29, 2011 Quote Must be pretty powerful to chose lives based on one's beliefs. I would hope to not have such a doctor involved in my care. It's my understanding that is not the oath they swear to. Are you married? If so, do you have children? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #87 September 29, 2011 >Ok...your exception aside...? Exceptions aside I am not OK with child pornography. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #88 September 29, 2011 Quote>Ok...your exception aside...? Exceptions aside I am not OK with child pornography. Why? If it doesn't hurt anyone (e.g. some cultures where it might be accepted) and everyone involved is ok with it. Would you still say (like me) that it's "evil?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #89 September 29, 2011 Quote Are you ok with child pornography? (I am not to be clear) Did you mean "I am, not to be clear", "I am not, to be clear" or "I am not to be, clear?" Sticking your nose in a woman's uterus where it's none of your business seems pretty pornographic to me, but you seem to want to do it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #90 September 29, 2011 QuoteSticking your nose in a woman's uterus where it's none of your business seems pretty pornographic to me, but you seem to want to do it. So, are you ok with child pornography? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #91 September 29, 2011 >Why? If it doesn't hurt anyone (e.g. some cultures where it might be accepted) >and everyone involved is ok with it. You asked me if I was OK with it. I am not. I realize other cultures may be OK with it. That does not mean I am. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 859 #92 September 29, 2011 No, and yes. And no, I would not want someone making decision on their healthcare based upon the doctor's religious beliefs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #93 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteSticking your nose in a woman's uterus where it's none of your business seems pretty pornographic to me, but you seem to want to do it. So, are you ok with child pornography? . What I am NOT OK with is your busybodying interest in the reproductive organs of other men's wives and partners.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 September 29, 2011 QuoteNo, and yes. And no, I would not want someone making decision on their healthcare based upon the doctor's religious beliefs. Are you trying to say that jaybird's wife has made medical decisions based on religious beliefs?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #95 September 29, 2011 Quote>Why? If it doesn't hurt anyone (e.g. some cultures where it might be accepted) >and everyone involved is ok with it. You asked me if I was OK with it. I am not. I realize other cultures may be OK with it. That does not mean I am. Is it ok, in your opinion, for them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #96 September 29, 2011 QuoteWhat I am NOT OK with is your busybodying interest in the reproductive organs of other men's wives and partners. Since you're Ok with busybodying interest in the REST of everyone else's body via Obamacare, sucks to be you. You don't get to have it both ways.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #97 September 29, 2011 >Is it ok, in your opinion, for them? Do I accept that they do it? Yes. Is it perfectly OK if they do it? In my opinion, no. If they changed their minds would that be a good thing, in my opinion? Yes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #98 September 29, 2011 QuoteNo, and yes. And no, I would not want someone making decision on their healthcare based upon the doctor's religious beliefs. My wife's decisions with regard to the examples I provided are medical, not religious. So, if your wife developed a condition which greatly threatened her life during pregnancy, would you be ok with the decision to save her life at the cost of losing the pregnancy? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #99 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteNo, and yes. And no, I would not want someone making decision on their healthcare based upon the doctor's religious beliefs. Are you trying to say that jaybird's wife has made medical decisions based on religious beliefs? The king of the strawmen strikes again.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #100 September 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSticking your nose in a woman's uterus where it's none of your business seems pretty pornographic to me, but you seem to want to do it. So, are you ok with child pornography? . What I am NOT OK with is your busybodying interest in the reproductive organs of other men's wives and partners. That is a chicken shit answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
