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>Then let's come up with a way for them to pay the money to the hospital when they
>don't carry insurance.

Sure, I'm all for that; save their lives first, then figure out how to get them to pay for it. Combine that with some incentives to actually carry insurance and you could make a pretty good dent in the healthcare problem. The problem is that "go to the ER and worry about paying later" has become pretty standard - indeed, the GOP has touted it as the foundation of our healthcare system.

Then we aren't too far apart. The GOP has not touted treat now worry later. They have preached personal responsibility without having a healthcare plan shoved down out throats. Here in Va. we have auto insurance called SR-22. It's not insurance but a fee you pay to drive without insurance. That way if you have an accident, at least the other driver is covered for you irresponsibility. Something along these lines should be what the govt. does about healthcare. That way those of us who are responsible and insure ourselves aren't forced to pay for those who aren't. This is more along the lines of what the GOP would be willing to accept.

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Then let's come up with a way for them to pay the money to the hospital when they don't carry insurance.

Then how would you propose those unable to make money be dealt with?

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Then let's come up with a way for them to pay the money to the hospital when they don't carry insurance.

Then how would you propose those unable to make money be dealt with?

How about letting them work it off? If you went into a restaurant and couldn't afford the check, they would have you sweeping floors and washing dishes.

Oh, and spare me the senario where someone isn't physically capable, has mental problems etc.. There's always something they can do and the percentage of people in that catagory is extremely small.

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Oh, and spare me the senario where someone isn't physically capable, has mental problems etc.. There's always something they can do and the percentage of people in that catagory is extremely small

The percentage may be small, but their health care costs can be astronomical. How exactly should that be paid for?

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Maybe they should think about the consequences before they need medical care. Perhaps when they are deciding between the 32 and 52 inch HD TV.

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I am not quite sure why I expected a serious conversation with somebody who has such a simple and skewed view of life.

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I am not quite sure why I expected a serious conversation with somebody who has such a simple and skewed view of life.

Perhaps for the same reason I attempt to discuss something with someone incapable of understanding that everything doesn't have to be complex. Sometimes you just have to tell people to shut up and quit whining. Obviously, you are incapable of discussion and instead choose to end many discussions with the usual PA.

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Sometimes you just have to tell people to shut up and quit whining.

Yes, I am sure the person with severe down syndrome will understand that. Or the guy unable to move due to Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy. I'll just tell him to man up and stop whining.

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>The GOP has not touted treat now worry later.

Mitch McConnell: "no American is denied health care in America" because "you just go to an emergency room."

GWB: "I mean, people have access to health care in America. After all, you just go to an emergency room."

HHS Secretary Tommy Thompson: The US system "could be defined as universal coverage" due to "emergency room coverage."

Haley Barbour: "There's nobody in Mississippi who does not have access to health care. One of the great problems in the conversation is the misimpression that if you don't have insurance, you don't get health care" - because everyone has access to "emergency room procedures."

So one problem is overcoming that thought process that the ER is an effective replacement for a plan for health care.

>we have auto insurance called SR-22. It's not insurance but a fee you pay to drive
>without insurance.

Cool. So what you're saying is that we require medical insurance (like we do with drivers) - but have a way to get out of it by paying a fine or a surcharge or something. I'm down with that.

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Sometimes you just have to tell people to shut up and quit whining.

Yes, I am sure the person with severe down syndrome will understand that. Or the guy unable to move due to Duchenne Muscular Dystrophy

. I'll just tell him to man up and stop whining.

Here we go with the typical extreme examples. Waiting for more line to pile on.

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Nope, it doesn't get you out of anything. The state will still come after you for payment. Garnishes etc.

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Running a red light doesn't hurt anybody
Doing 100 m/hr in a school zone doesn't hurt anybody
Driving drunk doesn't hurt anybody
Air races over populated areas don't hurt anybody

You are advocating anarchy. Doesn't seem to be working overly well for Somalia.

For once it would be nice if you tried to have a real discussion instead of your normal posts.

BTW, Running a red light has killed innocents
Doing 100 in a school zone has killed innocents
Drunk Driving has killed innocents
Air races over congested areas has killed innocents.

See you ignore the post and attack one small part. It is pathetic and called a strawman, BTW.

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Running a red light doesn't hurt anybody
Doing 100 m/hr in a school zone doesn't hurt anybody
Driving drunk doesn't hurt anybody
Air races over populated areas don't hurt anybody

You are advocating anarchy. Doesn't seem to be working overly well for Somalia.

For once it would be nice if you tried to have a real discussion instead of your normal posts.

BTW, Running a red light has killed innocents
Doing 100 in a school zone has killed innocents
Drunk Driving has killed innocents
Air races over congested areas has killed innocents.

See you ignore the post and attack one small part. It is pathetic and called a strawman, BTW.

Fascinating that you SNIPPED your own comment that included the word "intentionally".

DaVinci wrote: "I don't think the Govt should be allowed to tell you that you may not do something that does not intentionally hurt anyone else."

Intellectual dishonesty combined with a high irony score there.

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Here we go with the typical extreme examples. Waiting for more line to pile on.

It is the extreme examples that make what you think is easy, difficult.

Just telling people to man up, may deal with some situations, but it doesn't deal with all of them. You may enjoy living in an imaginary simple world, but life just isn't like that. But it makes for nice soundbites.

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Intellectual dishonesty combined with a high irony score there.

It is what you do best.... So maybe you see it all the time due to your own inclination?

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Here we go with the typical extreme examples. Waiting for more line to pile on.

It is the extreme examples that make what you think is easy, difficult.

Just telling people to man up, may deal with some situations, but it doesn't deal with all of them. You may enjoy living in an imaginary simple world, but life just isn't like that. But it makes for nice soundbites.

Obviously you have no arguments left. I never said we shouldn't make allowances for those who can't. That's your fantasy. I'm talking about the ones who won't which I believe is far greater than the ones who can't.

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Intellectual dishonesty combined with a high irony score there.

It is what you do best.... So maybe you see it all the time due to your own inclination?

Been taking "rubber/glue" debate lessons from mnealtx?

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Now that you agreed that teh issue isn't that simple and some people are not able to stop whining and just pay. Who makes the determination whether somebody is truly able to stop whining and work and who isn't?

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For once it would be nice if you tried to have a real discussion instead of your normal posts.

BTW, Running a red light has killed innocents
Doing 100 in a school zone has killed innocents
Drunk Driving has killed innocents
Air races over congested areas has killed innocents.

See you ignore the post and attack one small part. It is pathetic and called a strawman, BTW.

Leaving part of your own quote out is pretty pathetic.

However, running a red light has not killed anybody. Hitting them with the car is what killed them. Dangerous driving is already illegal.

Doing 100 hasn't killed anybody, hitting them with the car kills them. Dangerous driving is already illegal.

Drunk driving doesn't kill. Hitting them is what kills them. Dangerous driving, murder and manslaughter are already illegal

The list goes on. Looks like as usual, you are only against laws you don't agree with, but are fine with being dictated by the government in other areas.

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Now that you agreed that teh issue isn't that simple and some people are not able to stop whining and just pay. Who makes the determination whether somebody is truly able to stop whining and work and who isn't?

There was never any disagreement. You simply "thought" you knew what I was saying. It was your deluded fantasy. Now that you've come back down to Earth, we could very easily have social workers or even doctors make the determination. As I said previously, there are many people who have become experts at working the system and living their entire lives that way. We need to change this culture and sometimes the best way to do that is to set an example.

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For once it would be nice if you tried to have a real discussion instead of your normal posts.

BTW, Running a red light has killed innocents
Doing 100 in a school zone has killed innocents
Drunk Driving has killed innocents
Air races over congested areas has killed innocents.

See you ignore the post and attack one small part. It is pathetic and called a strawman, BTW.

Leaving part of your own quote out is pretty pathetic.

However, running a red light has not killed anybody. Hitting them with the car is what killed them. Dangerous driving is already illegal.

Doing 100 hasn't killed anybody, hitting them with the car kills them. Dangerous driving is already illegal.

Drunk driving doesn't kill. Hitting them is what kills them. Dangerous driving, murder and manslaughter are already illegal

The list goes on. Looks like as usual, you are only against laws you don't agree with, but are fine with being dictated by the government in other areas.

So you would agree that guns aren't the problem, it's what some people do with them that's the issue?

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There was never any disagreement. You simply "thought" you knew what I was saying. It was your deluded fantasy. Now that you've come back down to Earth, we could very easily have social workers or even doctors make the determination. As I said previously, there are many people who have become experts at working the system and living their entire lives that way.

That process is already in place, people do get turned down for welfare. The system isn't perfect and I am sure savings can be had.

Do you have any idea how many people are "experts at working the system"? (and are we now talking about Health Care or Welfare?)

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So you would agree that guns aren't the problem, it's what some people do with them that's the issue?

Guns, like cars or any other object, do nothing by themselves. It is the operator who needs to be regulated.

I really could care less what Americans do with guns. I do think your country faces much bigger problems than arguments over which gun you can carry where.

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Been taking "rubber/glue" debate lessons from mnealtx?

No, just watching you dodge and avoid. kinda like you were taking tap lessons from Fred Astair.

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For once it would be nice if you tried to have a real discussion instead of your normal posts.

BTW, Running a red light has killed innocents
Doing 100 in a school zone has killed innocents
Drunk Driving has killed innocents
Air races over congested areas has killed innocents.

See you ignore the post and attack one small part. It is pathetic and called a strawman, BTW.

Leaving part of your own quote out is pretty pathetic.

However, running a red light has not killed anybody. Hitting them with the car is what killed them. Dangerous driving is already illegal.

Doing 100 hasn't killed anybody, hitting them with the car kills them. Dangerous driving is already illegal.

Drunk driving doesn't kill. Hitting them is what kills them. Dangerous driving, murder and manslaughter are already illegal

The list goes on. Looks like as usual, you are only against laws you don't agree with, but are fine with being dictated by the government in other areas.

So you would agree that guns aren't the problem, it's what some people do with them that's the issue?

That seems like a strawman.

Can't speak for him, but I see no reason sane, law abiding people should be deprived of firearms. Agree with you that, for example, mentally ill people shouldn't have guns and that right now we do a piss-poor job of keeping guns out of their hands.

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