Boehner is an unrealistic fool.

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WASHINGTON (CNNMoney) -- House Speaker John Boehner drew a line in the sand on taxes on Thursday, saying that a special debt committee tasked with cutting at least $1.2 trillion from federal deficits shouldn't consider tax hikes.

"Tax increases, I think, are off the table," Boehner said in a speech to the Economic Club of Washington, D.C.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/15/news/economy/boehner_speech/index.htm

Off the table? Seriously. Fuck you Boehner.

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[mirage62 0]

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Off the table? Seriously. Fuck you Boehner.

Classic, what an in depth well thought out comment.

"Fuck you Boehner" well Fuck you Obama with close to 1/2 trillon in new spending

Good now it 1 to 1 "Fuck yous"

LOL how dumb

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[StreetScooby 5]

If Boehner is an unrealistic fool, what does that make Obama?

We are all engines of karma

[quade 4]

Let's say YOU were out of work but still had bills to pay. Well, I guess you could stop spending money, yes, that would be a start but if you don't take in some more money, you're still pretty well fucked over.

The country NEEDS to raise money. Cuts alone aren't going to do it and the ONLY reasons Boehner is being such an asshat is because he's politicking this. He -WANTS- America to be in a worse position during the 2012 elections so the Republicans can have a better shot at The White House. He doesn't give a fuck about the average Joe and how fucked up the country is.

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WASHINGTON (CNNMoney) -- House Speaker John Boehner drew a line in the sand on taxes on Thursday, saying that a special debt committee tasked with cutting at least $1.2 trillion from federal deficits shouldn't consider tax hikes.

"Tax increases, I think, are off the table," Boehner said in a speech to the Economic Club of Washington, D.C.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/09/15/news/economy/boehner_speech/index.htm

Off the table? Seriously. Fuck you Boehner.

Well, since your Messiah Barry can't seem to get the economy moving again maybe John thought it best to ease the minds of some folks. He is after all, addressing the Economic Club. What's the definition of insanity again?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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If Boehner is an unrealistic fool, what does that make Obama?

A guy attempting to keep the country from sinking further into a mess.

Taxes HAVE to be raised. There is NO other way. You can't budget cut your way out of this. It just is mathematically impossible.

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The World's Most Boring Skydiver

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He doesn't give a fuck about the average Joe and how fucked up the country is.

I agree that Obama doesn't give a fuck about the average Joe. His spending is predominately focused at government workers and union members.

If Obama cared about average Joes he'd stopped strangling business in this country.

An article in the WSJ today does a good job describing Obama's version of economics:

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For Mr. Obama, there is no such thing as the American economy. Instead, there are two Americas with separate economies—one public, the other private. The economy of the public sector—the money it spends and the direct or indirect recipients of its spending—is the real economy, the one that matters for the health of the country. Mr. Obama's second economy, the one most people think of as the private sector, is an intellectual abstraction. It's like the distant planets that astronomers regard as real but have discovered using mathematical calculations. It is believed that life forms exist in the private economy, but they do so as datapoints inside the White House Office of Management and Budget.

Here's the complete article:

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Obama's Two Economies
For Barack Obama, the private economy is an intellectual abstraction.


Thus repeated Barack Obama on Monday, promoting his jobs plan: "Should we keep tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires?"

So said a news report Monday on the plan's tax details: "The largest chunk of Mr. Obama's tax package comes from limiting itemized deductions for families with more than $250,000 in yearly taxable income and individuals with more than $200,000, including those for home-mortgage interest, state and local property taxes and charitable donations. The White House says that measure would raise roughly $400 billion over 10 years."

There was more clarity in a previous presidency about the meaning of "is" than about Barack Obama's elastic definition of a millionaire. Another familiar part of the political background noise in politics is the president's animus toward something called "business." This is taken to mean he dislikes the undeserving fat cats of banking and corporate management. At this level, the president's American Jobs Act is progress: From its details emerges a clear understanding of Mr. Obama's beliefs about what he takes to be the engines of the American economy. How it works. How it grows.

For Barack Obama, the private economy is an intellectual abstraction.

For Mr. Obama, there is no such thing as the American economy. Instead, there are two Americas with separate economies—one public, the other private. The economy of the public sector—the money it spends and the direct or indirect recipients of its spending—is the real economy, the one that matters for the health of the country. Mr. Obama's second economy, the one most people think of as the private sector, is an intellectual abstraction. It's like the distant planets that astronomers regard as real but have discovered using mathematical calculations. It is believed that life forms exist in the private economy, but they do so as datapoints inside the White House Office of Management and Budget.

The plan's biggest outlays are the payroll tax cut and tax credit for new hires. Few owners in the private economy would have identified a 12-month break from payroll taxes or the credit as the best incentive for elevating long-term employment. The payroll tax cut's primary purpose is to enable an Obama mathematical abstraction known as the Keynesian multiplier.

By the way, the plan's third-to-last paragraph—call it the Rick Perry Footnote—says the $175 billion payroll tax holiday won't impact Social Security payments: "Social Security will still receive every dollar it would have gotten otherwise, through a transfer from the General Fund into the Social Security Trust Fund." This sounds like a Ponzi scheme.

Once past the tax-cuts-for-temps, the jobs plan drops anchor in the public economy. The "targets" of the plan's $447 billion of spending are industries and people who are or always will be dependent on payments from public budgets. The plan's parts operate almost entirely inside the public-sector ecosystem.

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The primary categories of workers identified helped by the plan are teachers, police, firefighters, construction workers, "boiler repairmen." The plan would put people to work modernizing 35,000 public schools, repairing transit systems and airports, and developing "high-speed rail corridors." The $10 billion National Infrastructure Bank is a "government-owned entity," with the government guaranteeing loans due to "market gaps" for infrastructure financing. The American Jobs Act sounds like a jobs plan more for developing China than for the 21st century U.S. economy.

The plan asserts it will put people back to work "in key areas that are central to America's future competitiveness." Then it says it will allow the rehiring of teachers, police and firefighters "who have been laid off because of budget cuts." But people have been laid off in the other economy, too. This week Bank of America said it would lay off 30,000 people. Last month, HSBC bank announced massive layoffs. Stories abound of new college graduates living at home, unemployed. A study out this week from the Institute for Financial Literacy says college graduates have become the fastest-growing group of bankruptcy filers.

The Obama $0.5 trillion jobs plan reflects no recognition of the unemployed people connected to the U.S.'s most competitive and dynamic industries. Notwithstanding all that Democratic intellectuals such as Richard Florida have written about the party's future lying with sophisticated knowledge workers, these people fall outside the president's field of vision. Barack Obama (and his activist base) has talked nonstop about helping "the middle class," but it's clear this is a static, backward-looking notion of what makes up the American middle class.

Because Mr. Obama and his circle divide the economy into two parts, with the private economy merely a satellite orbiting the public sun, he has proven incapable of offering policies for the whole nation. A Whole America plan to lift both blue-collar and white-collar workers would have included some gesture toward a broad-based Bowles-Simpson tax reform, rather than wait for the debt panel to act. The plan's mention of reforming Sarbanes-Oxley (for small and new business only) merely promises to "work with" the SEC to "explore ways." A pipedream.

The American Jobs Act is a jobs plan for Barack Obama's America. The United States is a bigger country than that.

We are all engines of karma

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A guy attempting to keep the country from sinking further into a mess.

Obama is a clueless amateur surrounding by clueless amateurs. The country is finally starting to realize that.

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Taxes HAVE to be raised. There is NO other way. You can't budget cut your way out of this. It just is mathematically impossible.

Have you done the math? You can't get out of Obama's mess even if you take ALL of the money corporations, billionaires and millionaires are making.

REVENUES need to be raised.

There is only one solution to this - the government must cut spending, and do so drastically. It must also stop strangling businesses. Obama needs to turn 180 degrees in his approach. He couldn't be doing it more wrong.

We are all engines of karma

[mirage62 0]

Quafe I was responding to your somewhat childish outburst. Bottom line is simple. 400 BILLION sounds like a lot- it's OVER ten years. Done equally that a whole big 40 billion a year. YOU REALLY THINK THAT WILL DO IT BIG BOY?

FWIW I have stated that we have to raise taxes. Obumber doesn't have a clue what to do.

So again, mostly for you and to complete the childishness. FUCK OBAMA and the horse he rode in.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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Fuck you Boehner.

I'm really feeling that liberal love here in this forum!

"Fuck John Boehner."
"Fuck the Tea Party."
"Fuck Christians."
"Fuck Israelies."
"Fuck gun owners."
"Fuck the troops."

Yeah, they're the self-proclaimed party of respect and tolerance - I can feel the love!

[billvon 3,111]

>I'm really feeling that liberal love here in this forum!

"Fuck - Obama" - 9 hits (one from you!)

"Fuck - John Boehner." - 1 hit (from you!)
"Fuck - the Tea Party." - 1 hit (from you!)
"Fuck - Christians." - 4 hits. 1 from you, 2 from conservatives.
"Fuck - Israelies." - 1 hit (from you!)
"Fuck - gun owners." - 1 hit (from you!)
"Fuck - the troops." - 4 hits. 1 from you, 2 from conservatives.

Yep, you're feeling something. But as often happens, you are the biggest offender.

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Nice thing Obama isn't "politicking" his view, huh???


It would really be nice if they would pass legislation preventing the tack on bullshit that is a problem now!
The whole beautification portion of highway funding is downright stupid. Yet we won't get highway funding NOR FAA funding because some think it's a good idea to tie the building of parks and other wasteful spending to needed infrastructure.
Parks are nice and I appreciate them.
REQUIRING them to be part of required highway building is plain foolish.

The country needs to cut spending.

If I were in the same position, my checkbook is empty. I am FORCED to start with cuts BEFORE increasing income.
PERIOD.
There is no other way.

Glad he stopped all the bi-partisan crap like he said he would though.

Neither side gives a fuck about average Joes.

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>If I were in the same position, my checkbook is empty. I am FORCED to start
>with cuts BEFORE increasing income.

And if you had credit card debt, would you quit your job, figuring you had to cut spending before you could pay anything off? Or would you work harder in hopes of making more money so you could better pay your bills?

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>If I were in the same position, my checkbook is empty. I am FORCED to start
>with cuts BEFORE increasing income.

And if you had credit card debt, would you quit your job, figuring you had to cut spending before you could pay anything off? Or would you work harder in hopes of making more money so you could better pay your bills?

Are you sure you want to play the home accounting analogies here? The feds don't look very good in it.

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I have to agree with your title
He needs to tell Obama to get real and not even discuss a stupid fucking thing he proposed

But I guess it is really hard to tell what that is since he has yet to have a bill filed

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 893]

I don't have credit card debt.
Nor would I.
I don't see Obama quitting his job, nor congress - although they would all still get paid for life anyway, so I'm unsure how that applies.
OK, your move.

[billvon 3,111]

>I don't have credit card debt. Nor would I.

Never mind. Stupid of me to try to discuss anything here; I should know better.

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Taxes HAVE to be raised. There is NO other way. You can't ONLY budget cut your way out of this. It just is mathematically impossible.

fify

taxes should be raised, and budgets should be cut.

Both actions are required to close the gap.

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Rob

[normiss 893]

Seriously Bill. Really.

I thought we were comparing DC financing to home financing.

Yes, I realize a government cannot financially run that way.

But the bi-partisan crap needs to stop.

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Union and government workers are the average joes.

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Union and government workers are the average joes.

just in case they missed it. the rubes in the fringe right are NOT the constituencies that Speaker Boehner is representing. If you have a couple billion, the Speaker and his rePUBIClown cronies will be very happy to pucker up real nice for some nice lips on buttocks action they have come to expect for their campaign dollars.

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All I can say is thank God the majority of people think you are nuts

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Poll: 72% Say Country on Wrong Track, Majority Embrace GOP Ideas
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http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-14/pessimism-surges-as-72-see-u-s-economy-on-wrong-course-in-poll.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The country NEEDS to raise money.

So send them all your money.

"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch

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Union and government workers are the average joes.

just in case they missed it. the rubes in the fringe right are NOT the constituencies that Speaker Boehner is representing. If you have a couple billion, the Speaker and his rePUBIClown cronies will be very happy to pucker up real nice for some nice lips on buttocks action they have come to expect for their campaign dollars.

Ditto for the left and their unions

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

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Union and government workers are the average joes.

just in case they missed it. the rubes in the fringe right are NOT the constituencies that Speaker Boehner is representing. If you have a couple billion, the Speaker and his rePUBIClown cronies will be very happy to pucker up real nice for some nice lips on buttocks action they have come to expect for their campaign dollars.

Ditto for the left and their unions

You ain't so good with math there are ya bubba.


How many millions of union members are there.... you know... those working people out there that join unions???



As opposed to at the most... 1000 ultra rich like the Koch brothers who buy every last one of the rePUBIClowns you have voted for for years and years. Go get a list of those fringe right wing govenors and congress critters who were ordered to the Koch brothers private retreat a few months ago. Its funny when the clowns that support them actually believe the propoganda that has been aimed at them for the last 30 years...

Government of the rich for the rich and by the rich...since GOD wants them to rule and make their faux family values the laws of the land.
In a democracy I was under the opinion that the majority wins... in your wet dream world.... its those with the most money to buy their favorite right wing bible thumpin in public politician who has won BIG TIME.
It really amazes me how gullible the FRINGE RIGHT voters truly are.