BIGUN 1,507
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That's the right answer to just about any question, isn't it.QuoteDepends
You have to think about the downstream effects. And, if one of the downstream effects of our not giving a flying fuck what other countries think of us is that we get a significantly worse deal, then we need to take that into account in our actions, and decide if it's worth it. Sometimes it will be, and sometimes it won't.
Why should simple answers be good for big, complex questions facing the country today, when a little one like this has so many possibilities?
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
BIGUN 1,507
QuoteThat's the right answer to just about any question, isn't it.QuoteDepends
You have to think about the downstream effects. And, if one of the downstream effects of our not giving a flying fuck what other countries think of us is that we get a significantly worse deal, then we need to take that into account in our actions, and decide if it's worth it. Sometimes it will be, and sometimes it won't.
Why should simple answers be good for big, complex questions facing the country today, when a little one like this has so many possibilities?
Wendy P.
Nope. It was THE answer to your question. If those are the requisite standards, then there is only one choice and that is to Google, "Made in USA" for that widget. Where we get off-center is in not holding standards required of American companies by those who manufacture "similar" widgets overseas. Nasa, Boeing, Lockheed, etc. would not/ could not purchase those items from the other countries on your list... But when it comes to the plethora of consumer items... we as Americans have gotten lazy. We shop at walmart for the deep discounted prices and then piss and moan because the cart is pushing the horse.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
Andy9o8 3
Quotewe as Americans have gotten lazy. We shop at walmart for the deep discounted prices and then piss and moan because the cart is pushing the horse.
I think you're confusing laziness with perceived necessity (and perception is reality). In the current economy, I'm not willing to shake my moral finger at those who shop WalMart. American consumer are strapped, and they're afraid. While in better times they might prefer to buy American goods to help the long-term national economy, shop "green" to help the environment, etc., etc., the simple fact is that doing that is usually more expensive over the short run - which is to say, paycheck-to-paycheck - which these days, people equate with luxuries they can't afford.
BIGUN 1,507
"have gotten lazy..." as in a long process over time. WalMart grew exponentially over the past 15 years whether economic times were good or not. Now that it is more "not" I understand the need for paycheck to paycheck survival.. but this didn't happen just when the recession began.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
Andy9o8 3
Quote"have gotten lazy..." as in a long process over time. WalMart grew exponentially over the past 15 years whether economic times were good or not. Now that it is more "not" I understand the need for paycheck to paycheck survival.. but this didn't happen just when the recession began.
Not to sound imperious, but have you seen the photos of "people of WalMart" on the web? They're basically pictures of (as in: mocking) people who look very much like what they almost certainly are: in the economic lower class. Now, there's a reason for why so many such people seem to be found at Wal Mart: because WalMart - just like, say, Woolworth's of days gone by - has always attracted people for whom getting things as cheaply as possible is first and foremost when shopping.
So even in the good times, there have always been plenty of people who, out of financial necessity, pretty much always shop that way - which is why places like Wal Mart, K-Mart, etc. have always been popular. It's just that in these tough times, the segment of the general population who feel the need to shop that way is a lot larger.
No, if I'm going to buy a pair of dress shoes to wear with a suit, I won't get them at WalMart. But for stuff where the quality at WalMart is "good enough" - some underwear, a pair of khakis, a little rug for the bathroom, a desk lamp, etc. - yeah, I'll go to WalMart or Target first rather than pay 30% more at a department store. It helps my family's bottom line, and I'm OK with that.
SkyDekker 1,465
WalMart is one of the major capitalist success stories. It is one of the ultimate supply and demand examples. I don't understand how any American Republican can be against WalMart.
SkyDekker 1,465
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Fuck the world isn't exactly the wisest of strategies right now.
A strategy? No
A good start?
Yes
How so? You wouldn't last a month.
DaVinci 0
QuoteFuck the world isn't exactly the wisest of strategies right now.
Where did I say to "fuck them"?????
I don't agree with Walmart's business ethics. Of course, I show my displeasure by not shopping there instead of stealing from them.
You are only as strong as the prey you devour
rushmc 23
QuoteI don't agree with Walmart's business ethics. Of course, I show my displeasure by not shopping there instead of stealing from them.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Quote"have gotten lazy..." as in a long process over time. WalMart grew exponentially over the past 15 years whether economic times were good or not. Now that it is more "not" I understand the need for paycheck to paycheck survival.. but this didn't happen just when the recession began.
Walmart's exponential growth ended about a decade ago. Last 5 years have averaged 5.7%. Stock price is basically unchanged since the end of the Clinton Administration and still hasn't seen the peak from Dec 1999.
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Fuck the world isn't exactly the wisest of strategies right now.
A strategy? No
A good start?
Yes
wow! when i read shit like that, i'd wish the rest of the world would say "FUCK AMERICA" and cut all ties..
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
BIGUN 1,507
QuoteQuote"have gotten lazy..." as in a long process over time. WalMart grew exponentially over the past 15 years whether economic times were good or not. Now that it is more "not" I understand the need for paycheck to paycheck survival.. but this didn't happen just when the recession began.
Not to sound imperious, but have you seen the photos of "people of WalMart" on the web? They're basically pictures of (as in: mocking) people who look very much like what they almost certainly are: in the economic lower class. Now, there's a reason for why so many such people seem to be found at Wal Mart: because WalMart - just like, say, Woolworth's of days gone by ...
And, I'll have to stop you there, because in days gone by... WalMart used to be a "Made in USA" only organization. Don't get me wrong, Andy. I understand. I really do. Doesn't mean I have to like it. Any of it.
Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.
aphid 0
(Facts)
Married 34 years to an American citizen and financially supported her every step of the way in my country. Have visited 29 of the 50 states, some multiple times. Spent 15 of the last 17 winters vacationing, jumping and team-training at Skydive AZ. In-laws with career military backgrounds in the US Naval Air Force including a Base Commander. Other in-laws with backgrounds in finance, law, and manufacturing. Even related first-generation thru marriage to the Coors family, although we disagree on so many fundamental (read "religion") issues we don't speak...
(Opinion - sue me)
I find it impossible to disagree with your statement.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, and shits like a duck... there's a pretty good chance it's a damned duck.
I do believe it's well past the time (some) Americans should look beyond the Amber Waves of Grain, Might is Right, or bullshit World-Police.
There is so much to admire about America, but (again, OPINION), it is being squandered because too many have no clue how the pigeons do eventually come home to roost and just recite... "fuck the world".
If you think I'm just another "Hate America" foreigner, re-read the opening paragraph.
John
Married 34 years to an American citizen and financially supported her every step of the way in my country. Have visited 29 of the 50 states, some multiple times. Spent 15 of the last 17 winters vacationing, jumping and team-training at Skydive AZ. In-laws with career military backgrounds in the US Naval Air Force including a Base Commander. Other in-laws with backgrounds in finance, law, and manufacturing. Even related first-generation thru marriage to the Coors family, although we disagree on so many fundamental (read "religion") issues we don't speak...
(Opinion - sue me)
I find it impossible to disagree with your statement.
If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, and shits like a duck... there's a pretty good chance it's a damned duck.
I do believe it's well past the time (some) Americans should look beyond the Amber Waves of Grain, Might is Right, or bullshit World-Police.
There is so much to admire about America, but (again, OPINION), it is being squandered because too many have no clue how the pigeons do eventually come home to roost and just recite... "fuck the world".
If you think I'm just another "Hate America" foreigner, re-read the opening paragraph.
John
if you were to read what i wrote first.. you'd probably still agree with me; but then i couldnt read your response because i'd be BANNED forever..
“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.”
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
-Hunter S. Thompson
"No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try."
-Yoda
rushmc 23
QuoteQuote
Fuck the world isn't exactly the wisest of strategies right now.
A strategy? No
A good start?
Yes
wow! when i read shit like that, i'd wish the rest of the world would say "FUCK AMERICA" and cut all ties..
Most of them would be the big loosers, not the US
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Depends. Is it made to ANSI Standards, have an OSHA safety record of less than 1 for its TIRR, an approved subcontracting plan for small-business set-asides in its vendor base, the requisite insurance and its manufacturing facility in compliance with EPA regulations?
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