Are they our media? Or are they a water company

[rushmc 23]

Cause after all, will all the water they carry for Obama and the Dems they are a wet bunch

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/pbs_alters_transcript_to_hide_obama_gaffe.html

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At one point Mr. Obama made a major gaffe; he identified Abraham Lincoln as the founder of the Republican Party.

Lincoln did not join the Republicans until 1856, over two years after the party was founded. The first Republican convention was held in Ripon, Wisconsin in 1854.

Such a gaffe would have brought huge amounts of ridicule and derision on George W. Bush, but in the case of Obama the media yawned.

Actually, they did more than yawn; government-funded PBS has altered the transcript of the President's speech, removing the offending comment.

(emphasis mine)

What a bunch of shit

Makes the Dems proud I bet

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[quade 4]

I watched the speech and cringed at it. My guess is he made the parenthetical remark off-script and PBS posted the script that was handed out before the speech was given rather than an actual transcription.

Doesn't mean anything nefarious. It's an unfortunate reality of giving speeches. People read something, they stumble, they put something in off-script that doesn't belong there and it's either something that still works or it doesn't. In this case it didn't work, but it didn't cause an international incident like some remarks made by some people in the past have.

What he probably meant to say was something to the effect of "one of the first great Republicans." Of course, how that relates to our modern Republicans is pretty damn questionable, but it would have made people feel good about reaching across the aisle.

Instead, you've turned it into a piece of pointless crap.

Good job!

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[CanuckInUSA 0]

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At one point Mr. Obama made a major gaffe

It's alright. After all he has visited 57 states with 1 more to go.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[RonD1120 62]

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Cause after all, will all the water they carry for Obama and the Dems they are a wet bunch

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/pbs_alters_transcript_to_hide_obama_gaffe.html

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At one point Mr. Obama made a major gaffe; he identified Abraham Lincoln as the founder of the Republican Party.

Lincoln did not join the Republicans until 1856, over two years after the party was founded. The first Republican convention was held in Ripon, Wisconsin in 1854.

Such a gaffe would have brought huge amounts of ridicule and derision on George W. Bush, but in the case of Obama the media yawned.

Actually, they did more than yawn; government-funded PBS has altered the transcript of the President's speech, removing the offending comment.

(emphasis mine)

What a bunch of shit

Makes the Dems proud I bet

OMG!
Obama Must Go

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

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I watched the speech and cringed at it. My guess is he made the parenthetical remark off-script and PBS posted the script that was handed out before the speech was given rather than an actual transcription.

Doesn't mean anything nefarious. It's an unfortunate reality of giving speeches. People read something, they stumble, they put something in off-script that doesn't belong there and it's either something that still works or it doesn't. In this case it didn't work, but it didn't cause an international incident like some remarks made by some people in the past have.

What he probably meant to say was something to the effect of "one of the first great Republicans." Of course, how that relates to our modern Republicans is pretty damn questionable, but it would have made people feel good about reaching across the aisle.

Instead, you've turned it into a piece of pointless crap.

Good job!

Thanks for showing the intellectual honesty (or better stated, the lack of it) of a liberal yet again.

As far as reaching across the isle, or to compromise as you libs like to lie about, there has to be at least some area that can be common. Obama and his crew are so far left that they leave no middle ground. To come to Obama's middle moves the country yet even more to the left

And you damn well had bush or Cheney or any other R made such a gaff you and media would be talking about lack of intelligence

That's ok

Just keep carrying your buckets

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Cause after all, will all the water they carry for Obama and the Dems they are a wet bunch

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/pbs_alters_transcript_to_hide_obama_gaffe.html

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At one point Mr. Obama made a major gaffe; he identified Abraham Lincoln as the founder of the Republican Party.

Lincoln did not join the Republicans until 1856, over two years after the party was founded. The first Republican convention was held in Ripon, Wisconsin in 1854.

Such a gaffe would have brought huge amounts of ridicule and derision on George W. Bush, but in the case of Obama the media yawned.

Actually, they did more than yawn; government-funded PBS has altered the transcript of the President's speech, removing the offending comment.

(emphasis mine)

What a bunch of shit

Makes the Dems proud I bet

OMG!
Obama Must Go

Obama must go?

Well he needs to go, but not because of this gaff.

I was commenting on the media and the libs double standard yet again

Hell, they thought Bush was stupid because of the a way he pronounced a word

Obama almost visits 57 states, mispronounces corpsman multiple times and now this and the only action by the media and the left is to change the transcript and say eh, it happens

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Seriously, your country is in shambles...and this is your issue?

People fuck up, it happens. I am sure we have all said stupid stuff before, or wished we could take something back.

Getting an historical fact wrong to me is not as big as getting WMD wrong, or predicting mushroom clouds based on nothing, or fuelling hatred by calling for a crusade. YMMV.

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Seriously, your country is in shambles...and this is your issue?

People fuck up, it happens. I am sure we have all said stupid stuff before, or wished we could take something back.

Getting an historical fact wrong to me is not as big as getting WMD wrong, or predicting mushroom clouds based on nothing, or fuelling hatred by calling for a crusade. YMMV.

I said to my father back in the 70’s the people would do the right thing if they got a true story

We have not been getting the true story hence the mess we are in

Had they (the media) treated the sides fairly Obama would not be President today IMO.

As for the list

Dems said for years the same you post here

Bush just followed up the story line (if this is the way you want to take this)

So did all the Dems lie for years leading up to 911 and then the war?

You stand on a house of cards

Albeit a poorly stacked house of cards


It is my issue?

No, but it is the country’s issue. This and many other things


And to follow, you (another lib) once again supports my point.

Bush flubs a line and he is an idiot.

Obama does it and it is a mistake

Well, one thing is true, many NOW know how big a mistake Obama is

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Seriously, your country is in shambles...and this is your issue?

People fuck up, it happens. I am sure we have all said stupid stuff before, or wished we could take something back.

Getting an historical fact wrong to me is not as big as getting WMD wrong, or predicting mushroom clouds based on nothing, or fuelling hatred by calling for a crusade. YMMV.

If the facts are correct the problem is easily fixed. Reporters need to give the truth and cover both side the same way. The media shouldn't give either side a brake. We need to be more interested in what is being said and done, not how it is spelled.

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We need to be more interested in what is being said and done, not how it is spelled.

Except, of course, in some cases the placement of a comma is the actual difference between life and death. Spelling and grammar do count for something and especially when it comes to reportage about the legal system.

That said, I don't think that's really what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is misspeaking a line. Virtually everybody does it.

The difference is, Rush wants to make a big deal out of this misspoken line, but is more than willing to overlook some more gross intentional statements made by the 43rd Administration that wound up getting thousands of innocent people killed.

Rush wants us to overlook that and look at this instead.

Gee Rush, I guess you're "winning."

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[marks2065 0]

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We need to be more interested in what is being said and done, not how it is spelled.

Except, of course, in some cases the placement of a comma is the actual difference between life and death. Spelling and grammar do count for something and especially when it comes to reportage about the legal system.

That said, I don't think that's really what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is misspeaking a line. Virtually everybody does it.

The difference is, Rush wants to make a big deal out of this misspoken line, but is more than willing to overlook some more gross intentional statements made by the 43rd Administration that wound up getting thousands of innocent people killed.

Rush wants us to overlook that and look at this instead.

Gee Rush, I guess you're "winning."

No, I think rush wants all the correct information about and equall treatment of all politicians so that the people will make a good choice when voting comes around so we could maybe elect someone better than Obama and Bush. The lack of "tough" questions to some and the bashing of others to sway the public towards one poltical side is helping to cause the problems we have now. The media needs to ask all politicians the same questions and either bash or not bash all politicians eaqually.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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If the facts are correct the problem is easily fixed. Reporters need to give the truth and cover both side the same way. The media shouldn't give either side a brake. We need to be more interested in what is being said and done, not how it is spelled.

There is no law that indicates how reporters have to report a story. There is and will always be an inherrent bias in people reporting on a story.

The bigger problem is that Americans tend to be more interested in entertainment than news. Just look at the programming of all the news networks.

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We need to be more interested in what is being said and done, not how it is spelled.

Except, of course, in some cases the placement of a comma is the actual difference between life and death. Spelling and grammar do count for something and especially when it comes to reportage about the legal system.

That said, I don't think that's really what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is misspeaking a line. Virtually everybody does it.

The difference is, Rush wants to make a big deal out of this misspoken line, but is more than willing to overlook some more gross intentional statements made by the 43rd Administration that wound up getting thousands of innocent people killed.

Rush wants us to overlook that and look at this instead.

Gee Rush, I guess you're "winning."

And once again, you either completely miss the point or are just spinning it. Since when does the media take it upon themselves to change what a President says to what they think he meant? I guess you are OK with that?

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The difference is, Rush wants to make a big deal out of this misspoken line,

the impression I'm getting is that Rush wants to highlight that if a former (here unnamed) president were to have made the same gaff, the media would have had an orgy of outrage (we know this by repeated example after example) - contrasted to this president where everyone is happy to give the benefit of the doubt and even allow the actual events to be rewritten for the long term review.

I think the point is more about severely unequal attitudes drawn down party lines (in the major media which shouldn't be this way by definition) - not about BHO, himself.

not a surprise, but no biggie to point it out, again

as for which 'individuals' and their reactions on the two partisan sides - I'm not surprised and it's no big deal

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There is no law that indicates how reporters have to report a story. There is and will always be an inherrent bias in people reporting on a story.

{{{ok - then I fully expect your total support of Fox news reporting then}}}

that's a lot different than reporting actually wallowing in it with a direct intent to push policy - especially in an industry (supposedly) founded on lack of bias


why should the public just blindly be accepting of any 'inherent' bias? or is it ok when we agree with it only?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Since when does the media take it upon themselves to change what a President says to what they think he meant?

I don't think they do it intentionally very often. That said, what I have seen, and this DOES happen all the time, is they will take the copy of the speech they are handed before the speech is given and they will simply post that rather than an actual transcription of the speech as given by the speaker.

I believe that is what was done here. Sure, it's lazy, but that's an entirely different thing than the nefarious conspiratorial concept Rush has of this situation.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,120]

>Seriously, your country is in shambles...and this is your issue?

Of course. We will go down the drain with people like RushMC saying "don't blame me - I voted for Kodos. It's fun to watch him go down the drain."

As long as the dyed in the wool partisans have someone to blame they have zero interest in fixing anything. Indeed, they often go to some lengths to encourage failure since they feel such failure can be conflated with the incumbent and thus make it easier to attack him. (And, of course, will cry their hearts out when the incumbents on the other side do the same when their guy is elected.)

As a good example, look at the budget talks. Republicans want Obama to fail, and thus actively try to derail any kind of compromise that would start fixing the problems with our deficit. Democrats don't want to hand the republicans any victories either, and so start with a "no way" attitude.

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If the facts are correct the problem is easily fixed. Reporters need to give the truth and cover both side the same way. The media shouldn't give either side a brake. We need to be more interested in what is being said and done, not how it is spelled.

There is no law that indicates how reporters have to report a story. There is and will always be an inherrent bias in people reporting on a story.

The bigger problem is that Americans tend to be more interested in entertainment than news. Just look at the programming of all the news networks.

That is true, alot of americans are easily infuenced by the tabloids and never read into the 10 second sound bites that portray the politicians as something they are not.
I am usually against regulations, but one regulation that I would like to see is that all political reporting and advertising needs to be done without bias and without cutting. that would eliminate sound bites that are meant to sway the public and reporting that is used to promote a poitical side. To bad that a regulation like that could bad also. Unfortunately we will need to hope that the american people will look beyond the political reporting and advertising and see the truth.

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Since when does the media take it upon themselves to change what a President says to what they think he meant?

I don't think they do it intentionally very often. That said, what I have seen, and this DOES happen all the time, is they will take the copy of the speech they are handed before the speech is given and they will simply post that rather than an actual transcription of the speech as given by the speaker.

I believe that is what was done here. Sure, it's lazy, but that's an entirely different thing than the nefarious conspiratorial concept Rush has of this situation.

I see what you are saying. However, I have watched an interview with a politcian and heard exactly what he said, only to later read the transcript and what was reported was not what the politician actually said. So if they will change the wording from something the politician didn't say to what they wanted him to say, it's not much of a stretch nor hard to believe they will change it to what they thought he meant.

[billvon 3,120]

>but one regulation that I would like to see is that all political reporting and advertising
>needs to be done without bias and without cutting.

We have that - it's called CSPAN. It's not very popular.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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why should the public just blindly be accepting of any 'inherent' bias? or is it ok when we agree with it only?

Not at all. I think it is important to make distinctions between reporter bias, which is what I was referring to, and networks with a pre-determined slant.

I have a significantly bigger problem with the latter. I would prefer networks show both sides of the coin with basically factual reporting. I have no use for any of the bombastic news entertainment personalities and quite frankly think they do more harm than good.

There are just too many people who cannot see the difference between entertainment and news.

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There are just too many people who cannot see the difference between entertainment and news.

Like all the people who watch the Daily Show and the Colbert Report for their news.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

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There are just too many people who cannot see the difference between entertainment and news.

Like all the people who watch the Daily Show and the Colbert Report for their news.

Or O'Reilly and the rest of the cast over at the misnamed FoxNews.

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There are just too many people who cannot see the difference between entertainment and news.

Like all the people who watch the Daily Show and the Colbert Report for their news.

Or O'Reilly and the rest of the cast over at the misnamed FoxNews.

I hope that excellent comical/satire like the Daily Show and Colbert are a bit easier to distinguish as not news vs those opinion talk shows that take themselves so seriously.

so back to Skydekker's comment that the opinion shows do more harm than good...

with that comedic distinction in mind, I think DS and Colbert actually do add value - politics absolutely needs mockery.

I'm not a big fan of the opinion shows either, but I give the normal public a bit more credit to recognize them for what they really are and consider them ineffective at best - or just self affirming at worst for people that already have made up their minds (both lefty and righty opinion shows mostly just preach to the choir anyway....)

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

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We need to be more interested in what is being said and done, not how it is spelled.

Except, of course, in some cases the placement of a comma is the actual difference between life and death. Spelling and grammar do count for something and especially when it comes to reportage about the legal system.

That said, I don't think that's really what we're talking about here. What we're talking about here is misspeaking a line. Virtually everybody does it.

The difference is, Rush wants to make a big deal out of this misspoken line, but is more than willing to overlook some more gross intentional statements made by the 43rd Administration that wound up getting thousands of innocent people killed.

Rush wants us to overlook that and look at this instead.

Gee Rush, I guess you're "winning."

Look at the title and come back
You want to make this about Obama
I am making this about the media and the water they carry for the Dems

But you cant argue that point, so you ignore it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln