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QuoteAlso did Gingrich come off as more of a cheerleader than a candidate to anyone else?
Especially with his "Don't try and divide us when we all stand for the same thing" remark to one of the moderators.
I found it odd that Perry could dismiss the science behind climate change and evolution, yet agree with science when it came to HPV.
I also think that Perry calling SS a "Ponzi scheme" will ultimately cause his downfall.
Even Cheney's not very thrilled with the crop of scum.
Listening to him this morning, he had fond words for Hillary Clinton. So much to say she would probably make a good President. Personally, I think she would make a great President. She should make a run for the office.
http://www.businessinsider.com/dick-cheney-has-blunt-words-for-the-gop-presidential-candidates-2011-9
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2011/09/04/2011-09-04_dick_cheney_hillary_clinton_would_have_been_easier_for_gop_to_work_with_than_oba.html
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I was fortunate enough to get invited to the debate, and I just got home. I had to stay for the reception afterwards. :-)
IMO, Romney was the winner. Bachmann also spoke well, and Perry was third. I think Perry took a safer route by sticking to his script. He wasn't all that impressive, but he didn't say anything really stupid.
I think Perry missed an opportunity to address his "Ponzi Scheme" comment. In an absolute sense, I think he's right. The benefits for today's retirees are being paid for by today's earners, not by the money they paid into the system. That is the basic definition of a Ponzi scheme. New "investors" are paying the "old" ones.
They announced they'll be having another one at the Reagan Library before "Super Tuesday." I think I'll go to that one too.
IMO, Romney was the winner. Bachmann also spoke well, and Perry was third. I think Perry took a safer route by sticking to his script. He wasn't all that impressive, but he didn't say anything really stupid.
I think Perry missed an opportunity to address his "Ponzi Scheme" comment. In an absolute sense, I think he's right. The benefits for today's retirees are being paid for by today's earners, not by the money they paid into the system. That is the basic definition of a Ponzi scheme. New "investors" are paying the "old" ones.
They announced they'll be having another one at the Reagan Library before "Super Tuesday." I think I'll go to that one too.
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What debate your you watching? The only person who answered well and didn't, wait what's the term....oh yes, flip flop was Ron Paul. You can hate him till your blue in the face(which I do) but he was the only one who has blown the same trumpet for years and didn't sound prone to delusion. Bachman, Perry! Really a woman married to a gay guy who gets his kicks by reforming gay men by making them recount their sins. And a man who is so concerned about his state he literally let it burn while he involved himself in a meaningless debate.
Any one who can give more than a sound bite in the time allowed isn't allowed to speak. At some point real debate has to happen in these debates where at LEAST pie charts and graphs are used to explain how the person responding explains exactly how to un-fuck this situation.
Any one who can give more than a sound bite in the time allowed isn't allowed to speak. At some point real debate has to happen in these debates where at LEAST pie charts and graphs are used to explain how the person responding explains exactly how to un-fuck this situation.
Ron Paul makes far too much sense for the Republicans to choose him and he's not a Fabian Socialist, so the Democrats don't like him either. Could Ron Paul win as an independent? Possibly, but I would not bet the ranch on it. Plus even if he was to win, he makes too much sense for the puppetiers, he would probably end up like JFK.
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QuoteFires in 251 of 254 counties in Texas. Texas govt. cut funding to emergency services this year. Why isn't the governor of Texas there instead of politicking?
Maybe because a good leader delegates authority and responsibility not mircomanage. Also, maybe he knows that money does not change natural disasters.
IMO.
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QuoteAll in all, I thought it was pretty boring. It was nice to see Huntsmen not back away from his stance on science.
Regardless of his stance on science
Huntsmen has no chance
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QuoteQuoteAll in all, I thought it was pretty boring. It was nice to see Huntsmen not back away from his stance on science.
Regardless of his stance on science
Huntsmen has no chance
Thank God
You can always tell the worst Rep candidates, they'll be the ones that the MSM *aren't* trying to convince you to vote for.
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kallend 2,183
Good analysis:
www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/09/08/graham.debate.gop/
www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/09/08/graham.debate.gop/
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kallend 2,183
QuoteQuoteFires in 251 of 254 counties in Texas. Texas govt. cut funding to emergency services this year. Why isn't the governor of Texas there instead of politicking?
Maybe because a good leader delegates authority and responsibility not mircomanage. Also, maybe he knows that money does not change natural disasters.
IMO.
Money changes the effectiveness of responses to natural disasters. Maybe if Perry had shown more leadership instead of playing absentee governor the responses would have been more effective.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteFires in 251 of 254 counties in Texas. Texas govt. cut funding to emergency services this year. Why isn't the governor of Texas there instead of politicking?
Maybe because a good leader delegates authority and responsibility not mircomanage. Also, maybe he knows that money does not change natural disasters.
IMO.
Money changes the effectiveness of responses to natural disasters. Maybe if Perry had shown more leadership instead of playing absentee governor the responses would have been more effective.
Maybe if they had funded emergency services, they would not have run out of firefighters.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/09/07/perry_firefighting_budget/
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SkyDekker 1,465
From that article:
And that is how the games are played. We all hate the government until we need it, and then we demand immediate action and attention.
QuoteThe state has already approved supplemental spending to pay for firefighting that has already taken place, which is also $61 million short of what is needed. So, in other words, the budget intentionally appropriates less money than everyone knows the Forest Service will actually need in order to maintain the illusion of fiscal responsibility. And the Republicans will demand more federal money to make up the gap. While decrying federal spending
And that is how the games are played. We all hate the government until we need it, and then we demand immediate action and attention.
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> I also think that Perry calling SS a "Ponzi scheme" will ultimately cause his downfall.
It would seem to me and millions more, that SS is just that, a "Ponzi Scheme". May not sit well with voters, but the truth sometimes is hard to swallow.
It would seem to me and millions more, that SS is just that, a "Ponzi Scheme". May not sit well with voters, but the truth sometimes is hard to swallow.
QuoteFires in 251 of 254 counties in Texas. Texas govt. cut funding to emergency services this year. Why isn't the governor of Texas there instead of politicking?
He may not know how to hold a fire hose or drive a hook and ladder truck.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFires in 251 of 254 counties in Texas. Texas govt. cut funding to emergency services this year. Why isn't the governor of Texas there instead of politicking?
Maybe because a good leader delegates authority and responsibility not mircomanage. Also, maybe he knows that money does not change natural disasters.
IMO.
Money changes the effectiveness of responses to natural disasters. Maybe if Perry had shown more leadership instead of playing absentee governor the responses would have been more effective.
Maybe if they had funded emergency services, they would not have run out of firefighters.
http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/09/07/perry_firefighting_budget/
Salon should have done at least basic research - Texas *CAN'T* run a deficit per State law, and the cuts they're talking about are for the 2012-2013 budget, not the 2010-2011 budget that was set in 2009.
All's fair in slamming a Rep candidate, I guess.
Friggin idiots.
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All's fair in slamming a Rep candidate, I guess.
Friggin idiots.
I don't think Ron Paul is an idiot. Bachmann is. The others may well be.
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jclalor 12
Another one of the more entertaining moments came when Santorum was asked about his Catholic faith and their work with the poor, and how that may translate in a Santorum White House's effort to help the poor.
No one more than Rick Santorum in the US Senate trying to help the poor? Fucking priceless.
I'm just waiting for the Republicans to propose a social security to work program.
Quote"There is no one in the 12 years I was in the United State Senate who did more to work on poverty than Rick Santorum," Santorum said. He then went on to discuss his work on the welfare reform bill in the 1990s. "We didn’t pass it to cut money, we didn’t pass it to punish anybody, we changed the welfare system because it was punishing people…it was creating a culture of dependency and we went out and talked to the American public and said trust us to end this federal entitlement, put a work requirement in place, put a time limit on welfare…and we will transform it from a dependency system to a transitional system."
No one more than Rick Santorum in the US Senate trying to help the poor? Fucking priceless.
I'm just waiting for the Republicans to propose a social security to work program.
jclalor 12
What is up with Perry and the HPV vaccine? Ramming this vaccine down the throat of Texans, that will only encourage their eleven year old daughters to be sexually active, with no fear of any repercussions. It does not seem all that long ago when this HPV vaccine was the battle cry of all good conservatives,
If Obama had done or proposed the same thing... oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I personally think preventing cancer is a good thing. It is kind of funny hearing Perry defer to science when it came to this subject, and yet be dismissive of science when it comes to evolution and climate change.
If Obama had done or proposed the same thing... oh the wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I personally think preventing cancer is a good thing. It is kind of funny hearing Perry defer to science when it came to this subject, and yet be dismissive of science when it comes to evolution and climate change.
SkyDekker 1,465
Some would call it pandering.
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I didn't see the debate, but I voted anyway. I just wanted to be like the American electorate. 
QuoteFires in 251 of 254 counties in Texas. Texas govt. cut funding to emergency services this year. Why isn't the governor of Texas there instead of politicking?
I believe that many of these fires were caused by a nutter with a match. Would you support a law that requires a mental examination of anyone wishing to purchase matches? Should we have a National Match Registry? Do you have any idea how many innocent people die every year from arson related fires?
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