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not at all !QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm starting to think that I might have spent a little more time hanging out in burning buildings than you have-Thanks for the entertainment. You've saved me 8 bucks in netflicks sci fi rentals.
So Futuredivot, for all the time you;ve spent in burning buildings how many steel structured buildings have you witnessed falling straight down due to fire?
So just to review - when a fire fighter in a shitstorm makes a value judgement that proves to be wrong, you want to stick to his expert opinion.
***But when it comes to how a super skyscrapper collapses, you only want to use your layman's knowledge of structural engineering. Check.
If you;ll read with comprehension instead of that "gotcha" as the goal you may notice that I do ask for futurevdivots first hand experienced obsevration.
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sundevil777 102
QuoteQuoteQuoteSo let me get this straight.., and I saw exactly what you are stating.
The top began to fall asymetricly but suddenly the entire structure below fell straight down as with no resistance.
The top did begin to fall asymmetrically, but it did impact the lower floors in a way that caused all of it to fail. That you can't see how the two are compatible is not a surprise. There is a lot of stuff in the scientific/engineering realm that isn't intuitive. That is why not just anyone can design a building, or analyze why or how it failed. No matter how much you want it to be something naturally analyzed by the seat of your pants, it is not.
So let me see if I am following you,
The top (the portion above the impact zone) began to fall over to the side but suddenly all that below it just fell straight down at near freefall speed .
Is that your take?
What you've done is to describe it in a way that sounds implausible, at least to those that don't know what they don't know.
You did say it fell at near freefall, but how close to freefall was it?
How close to freefall have all the supposed engineers and scientists that support the conspiracy theory calculated that it should have fallen? If they have calculated it honestly, they would find that it matched what happened. Just because it isn't intuitive doesn't make it wrong. It would not fall ca-chunk ca-chunk like the lady on the loose change video assumed.
What part(s) of the conspiracy theory do you not believe? They make a log of assertions - things that don't "add up". Which of the assertions do you think do in fact "add up"?
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
QuoteHow close to freefall have all the supposed engineers and scientists that support the conspiracy theory calculated that it should have fallen?QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo let me get this straight.., and I saw exactly what you are stating.
The top began to fall asymetricly but suddenly the entire structure below fell straight down as with no resistance.
The top did begin to fall asymmetrically, but it did impact the lower floors in a way that caused all of it to fail. That you can't see how the two are compatible is not a surprise. There is a lot of stuff in the scientific/engineering realm that isn't intuitive. That is why not just anyone can design a building, or analyze why or how it failed. No matter how much you want it to be something naturally analyzed by the seat of your pants, it is not.
So let me see if I am following you,
The top (the portion above the impact zone) began to fall over to the side but suddenly all that below it just fell straight down at near freefall speed .
Is that your take?
What you've done is to describe it in a way that sounds implausible, at least to those that don't know what they don't know.
You did say it fell at near freefall, but how close to freefall was it?Quote
Before we go any further would you please refrain from refering to alternative theorists as "conspiracy theorists" as that term is somewhat confusing when attempting to dfifferrentiate between those who believe the main stream conspiracy theory and those who believe alternative conspiracy theories.
Whether you believe that 19 A-rabs with box cutters brought down the twinn towers or there was a planned demolition event each is a "conspiracy theory".
How about if in the future we agree to reference alternative theorists as ATs and the main stream believing theorists as MSs?
Will that work and can we agree to do that in an attempt to facilitate rational discussion of 9-11?
sundevil777 102
I'll call them Fred and Ethyl if that helps.
How about addressing the few simple questions I just posed to you a couple posts up?
How about addressing the few simple questions I just posed to you a couple posts up?
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
grimmie 186
Call me. I'll explain the types of building collapses. Explain to you how steel expands and then contracts when it is cooled by fire hoses. I'll explain to you how girders being sheared at impact weakened the towers. I'll explain to you what that fire chief was thinking.
And I'll fill you in on the buildings that have fallen on me and how it happened, easily I might add.
signed,
31 years riding fire trucks.
And I'll fill you in on the buildings that have fallen on me and how it happened, easily I might add.
signed,
31 years riding fire trucks.
QuoteIf the fire was hot enough to melt steel how was he able to stand on that floor?
***The asst fire chief was overly optimistic. The fire wasn't hot enough to melt steel. It was hot enough to weaken it. It's strong enough right up until it isn't strong enough, and then it collapses.
So although you weren't there and he was on the floor and had been trained to asses fires and the requirements to place them under control and extinquish them, you discount his proffesional opinion?
Really?
Riddle me this Batman..;
If the fires were hot enough to "weaken" steel how could he have been standing on the same floor as the fire and would a trained firefighter be likely to confuse a fire capable of weakening steel with an office fire easily put out with a couple of hoses?
I think a few hundred people who jumped to their deaths rather than face the inferno any further disagreed with the assessment of a single trained professional.
I also understand that the fireman who uttered the words did not make it out alive and in one piece. I suspect that his assessment was a bit off...
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QuoteI'll call them Fred and Ethyl if that helps.
***How about addressing the few simple questions I just posed to you a couple posts up?
A couple posts up your questions were rather confusing as you referenced "conspiracy theorist" engineers which as I've attempted to explain may be either main stream conspiracy accepting engineers or alternative conspiracy accepting engineers.
.
If you would please re submit the questions in terms which are more easily differentiated I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have concerning the events of 9-11.
I realize that those whobelieve in the main stream conspiracy theory have many questions as that theory simply does not add up and if you subtract to check your addition there are obviously missing integers.
So fire away!
I know all and I am here for you!
champu 1
QuoteWatch at about 16 secs into the video. does one fold over and then *shoot* away?
No.
***Call me.
QuoteWell where is your number?
But really we can have a discussion here unless you are scared to speak in an open discussion forum.
So are you another guy who believes he knows more about the situation at the impact zone then the trained veteran firefighter on site?
If the fires were hot enough to "weaken" steel how could he have been standing on the same floor as the fire and would a trained firefighter be likely to confuse a fire capable of weakening steel with an office fire easily put out with a couple of hoses?
***I think a few hundred people who jumped to their deaths rather than face the inferno any further disagreed with the assessment of a single trained professional.
Quoteand I would argue conselor that those people did not leap soley due to the heat. Smoke was a more motivating factor!
As a matter of fact if the "inferno" was hot enough to melt steel those base jumpers would have been dead long before the count of three C-Ya !
QuoteQuoteWatch at about 16 secs into the video. does one fold over and then *shoot* away?
***No.Quote
Really? youve watched the video you provided and don't see the steel member shoot horizontally at about the 16 second mark?
Maybe it is that you don't want to see it. It would only complicate your life.
Better to wear blinders and go about your buisiness.
That is understandable and Go!
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May the chains of your servitude rest lightly on your shoulders.
sundevil777 102
QuoteA couple posts up your questions were rather confusing as you referenced "conspiracy theorist" engineers which as I've attempted to explain may be either main stream conspiracy accepting engineers or alternative conspiracy accepting engineers.
.
If you would please re submit the questions in terms which are more easily differentiated I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have concerning the evenys of 9-11.
I realize that those whobelieve in the main stream conspiracy theory have many questions as that theory simply does not add up and if you subtract to check your addition there are obviously missing integers.
So fire away!
I am here for you!
Resubmit? The questions are easily understood.
Swap whatever words you want and just address the questions. If you're able to differentiate, and subtract to check your addition, then you can do that.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
sundevil777 102
QuoteWatch at about 16 secs into the video. does one fold over and then *shoot* away?
It appears to fold over, but I would not describe it as "shooting away". It does not look remarkable. Many dynamic interactions still at work.
People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am
So just to review - when a fire fighter in a shitstorm makes a value judgement that proves to be wrong, you want to stick to his expert opinion.
But when it comes to how a super skyscrapper collapses, you only want to use your layman's knowledge of structural engineering. Check.
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