dreamdancer 0 #1 September 5, 2011 bloody hands... QuoteEvidence that British intelligence agencies mounted their own "rendition" operation in collaboration with Muammar Gaddafi's security services has emerged with the discovery of a cache of Libyan government papers in an abandoned office building in Tripoli. A secret CIA document found among the haul shows that the British and Libyans worked together to arrange for a terrorism suspect to be removed from Hong Kong to Tripoli – along with his wife and children – despite the risk that they would be tortured. The wording of the document suggests the CIA was not involved in the planning of the rendition operation, but was eager to become engaged during its execution and offered financial support. Other papers found in the building suggest MI6 enjoyed a far closer working relationship with Gaddafi's intelligence agencies than has been publicly known, and was involved in a number of US-led operations that also resulted in Islamists being consigned to Gaddafi's prisons. On Sunday, one of the victims, Abdul Hakim Belhaj – now commander of the anti-Gaddafi militia in Tripoli – demanded an apology from London and Washington and said he was considering suing over his rendition to Tripoli and subsequent torture. For several years, senior MI5 and MI6 officers have sought to deny that their agencies have been guilty even of complicity in the rendition operations mounted by the US after 9/11, and the subsequent torture of the victims. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/sep/04/libyan-papers-show-uk-renditionstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 September 5, 2011 Thats only the thin end of the wedge, but are you really surprised? Is anyone? We live in a capitalist nation that means we do business with whoever has the resources, if they won't do business with us we go to war with them (in a number of ways). If circumstances change we do the same. To think otherwise is naive at best. There is no such thing as an 'ethical foreign policy' simply a good rate of return. That is how the world works, those nations who we decry as evil are simply those who won't work or with whom it is no longer beneficial for us to work with. In the mean time we do business with countries who sanction extrajudicial killings (USA among them) and who kill prisoners for their organs and then sell them off (China), who spread virulent anti semitism throughout the world (Saudi Arabia) and many others also. There is no ethical nation.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #3 September 5, 2011 same as it ever was... (but will it ever be)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #4 September 5, 2011 Until the system crashes for good or until people wake up and give a shit. Yesterdays Terroist is todays Freedom Fighter http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14784365When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #5 September 5, 2011 I just love the credibility some ascribe to some unverifiable papers left behind in an abandon office building. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #6 September 5, 2011 That's bullshit. Next you'll be claiming the US did business with Saddam Hussein.** ** No wait, I meant Manuel Noriega. No wait, I meant Ferdinand Marcos. http://tfclub.tripod.com/list.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #7 September 5, 2011 You mean people like David Cameron Prime Minister for HM Government. Who is calling for an enquiry into collusion with SIS and the Gaddafi intelligence service based on the documents? Or Sir Peter Gibson who will be looking in to the allegations as part of the UK Gov detainee enquiry? When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 September 5, 2011 Should be a short enquiry ..... if anyone knows they do (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #9 September 5, 2011 When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #10 September 5, 2011 QuoteThat's bullshit. Next you'll be claiming the US did business with Saddam Hussein Look, though people criticized us for claiming that Saddam had Weapons of Mass Destruction, we had the receipts to prove it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #11 September 5, 2011 Quote That's bullshit. Next you'll be claiming the US did business with Saddam Hussein.** ** No wait, I meant Manuel Noriega. No wait, I meant Ferdinand Marcos. http://tfclub.tripod.com/list.html When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #12 September 5, 2011 Quote You mean people like David Cameron Prime Minister for HM Government. Who is calling for an enquiry into collusion with SIS and the Gaddafi intelligence service based on the documents? Or Sir Peter Gibson who will be looking in to the allegations as part of the UK Gov detainee enquiry? Isn't this the story line from a Steven Segal Movie? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #13 September 5, 2011 QuoteThats only the thin end of the wedge, but are you really surprised? Is anyone? nobody is surprised that catholic priests sexually abuse youngsters - doesn't make it right...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #14 September 5, 2011 I don't recall saying that it does.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #15 September 5, 2011 Those fucking bankers, using MI6 to extradite terrorists with past due credit card balances. The great banker rendition."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites