Andy9o8 3 #1 September 2, 2011 I couldn't resist this one, it's such perfect Speakers' Corner fodder. You guys can have a nice bash at each other for days over this. http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/01/county-gop-in-giffords-district-raffles-handgun/#more-173335 QuoteCounty GOP in Giffords' district raffles handgun (CNN) - The Pima County Republican Party, located in Rep. Gabrielle Giffords' Arizona congressional district, is raffling off a handgun to raise money nearly eight months after a mass shooting left the congresswoman gravely wounded. The chairman of the county's Democratic party, Jeff Rogers, said the move is upsetting to a community that's still grieving. "This is something that pulls a scab off of a wound," Rogers said. The gun, a Glock, is the same make that Jared Lee Loughner was charged with using to shoot Giffords in the head and kill six others at a meet-and-greet in Tucson earlier this year. And while local Democrats generally support gun ownership rights, Rogers said this isn't about the Second Amendment–it's about being insensitive. "They could have changed the prize to an iPad or a set of golf clubs or anything that doesn't conjure up images of that day," Rogers said. So weigh in, folks. Outrageous and insensitive, or STFU? And remember, "Boobies" is not an option; it's just a state of mind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #2 September 2, 2011 Quote raffling off a handgun to raise money nearly eight months after a mass shooting left the congresswoman gravely wounded. Only in America When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #3 September 2, 2011 Good Lord! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 September 2, 2011 So, I have to ask Did you expect your poll numbers to come out the way they are (at this point anyway)?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #5 September 2, 2011 It's just something else for the anti 2nd Amendment gun-o-phobes to get tweaked about. If she had been seriously injured in an automobile accident and they were auctioning off the same model car, would the reaction be the same? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #6 September 2, 2011 I think it's insensitive of the anti-gun people to use Gabby's situation to protest a simple raffle of something they don't like just to push their own agenda you can spin anything(I really think people are just a bit to ready to be over sensitive and need to get their own lives) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #7 September 2, 2011 QuoteSo, I have to ask Did you expect your poll numbers to come out the way they are (at this point anyway)? Of course he did...It's SC. Anytime you put a poll option like that, it''l always get more votes than deserved.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #8 September 2, 2011 QuoteIf she had been seriously injured in an automobile accident and they were auctioning off the same model car, would the reaction be the same? If she was deliberately run down by a guy in a Hummer, and they were auctioning off a Hummer or even a diecast model Hummer, I am pretty sure the reaction would have been the same. Let me ask you a similar question: Would you have reacted the same way if it was a group selling (or auctioning off) diecast model boeing 767s in United livery to raise money for a mosque in New York City? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #9 September 2, 2011 QuoteSo, I have to ask - Did you expect your poll numbers to come out the way they are (at this point anyway)? So far, yes, it's about the split I'd expect. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #10 September 2, 2011 QuoteWould you have reacted the same way if it was a group selling (or auctioning off) diecast model boeing 767s in United livery to raise money for a mosque in New York City? That's not the same thing! Thems would be muslems!Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #11 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteIf she had been seriously injured in an automobile accident and they were auctioning off the same model car, would the reaction be the same? QuoteIf she was deliberately run down by a guy in a Hummer, and they were auctioning off a Hummer or even a diecast model Hummer, I am pretty sure the reaction would have been the same. I completely disagree. There aren't nutty people who fear Hummers as there are who fear guns. Suppose it was someone driving a Prius and they intentionally ran her down. Do you think people would have the same reaction to a Prius being auctioned almost a year later? QuoteLet me ask you a similar question: Would you have reacted the same way if it was a group selling (or auctioning off) diecast model boeing 767s in United livery to raise money for a mosque in New York City? Wouldn't bother me one bit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #12 September 2, 2011 QuoteWouldn't bother me one bit Fair enough. Now I understand why you don't get the insensitive angle. Since I would find the above insensitive even (almost) 10 years later. (funny enough it has nothing to do with the carbon footprint of a 767 in United livery) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #13 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteWouldn't bother me one bit Fair enough. Now I understand why you don't get the insensitive angle. Since I would find the above insensitive even (almost) 10 years later. (funny enough it has nothing to do with the carbon footprint of a 767 in United livery) Exactly, inanimate objects aren't capable of killing anyone. Too bad most gun-o-phobes are incapable of understanding that. Now, if they were auctioning off Loughners actual gun or personal items that belonged to him, I would consider that in pretty bad taste. In fact, I would think it's pretty stupid to auction off a model 767 because I doubt many people would buy a lottery ticket for that. They would be better off auctioning off a Harley Davidson if they wanted to raise money for a Mosque. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Kennedy 0 #14 September 2, 2011 It's not the same model. It's only the same MAKE: a glock. The Giffords shooting invovled a Glock 19. The auction in question in for a Glock 23. For those not in the know, a Glock 19 is a 9mm pistol with a magazine for 15 rounds while the Glock 23 is a .40 cal pistol with a 13 round mag. Also, I think the Loughner gun was a gen2, and the raffle gun is a gen4.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #15 September 2, 2011 QuoteI couldn't resist this one, it's such perfect Speakers' Corner fodder. You guys can have a nice bash at each other for days over this. It is perfect fodder for fun. I saw it last night in the SF Chronicle. They of course blurred the lines and wrote it as the same gun, which is what a lot of insensitive gun controllers will do. If they want to criticize the GOP for auctioning a gun, they certainly can. But feigning distress because the gun in question is another glock, one of the most popular brands out there (the model 23 is in fact standard issue for many government agencies) is a bit over the top. Can't wait to hear someone dig up the old line about glocks being plastic guns that won't be detected by airport security. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #16 September 2, 2011 Quote It's not the same model. It's only the same MAKE: a glock. The Giffords shooting invovled a Glock 19. The auction in question in for a Glock 23. For those not in the know, a Glock 19 is a 9mm pistol with a magazine for 15 rounds while the Glock 23 is a .40 cal pistol with a 13 round mag. Also, I think the Loughner gun was a gen2, and the raffle gun is a gen4. The Glock 23 is also a smaller gun that the Glock 19 iirc. Easier to conceal from the gun-o-phobes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #17 September 2, 2011 QuoteI don't live there but can I still buy a ticket? The shootings were committed by someone who was declared mentally incompetent for trial. That means crazy, kookoo, wacko, and institutionalized for life. Instead they want to feed him drugs to make him competent to stand trial for actions committed while he was incompetent. Then they can lock him up someplace to be incompetent again. That is just fucked up. Not to get too far on this tangent, but you're confusing & merging 2 distinct concepts: sanity at the time of the crime, and competency to stand trial, are 2 different things, with 2 different legal and psychiatric standards, and 2 different judicial means of determining them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dks13827 3 #18 September 2, 2011 If someone walked into the MSNBC lobby and pulled out his .45 to show it to his buddy, outrageous. If he pulled out a smoke and lighted up, why, that's even more outrageous these days !!! ( Neither of which is an illegal product, either. ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #19 September 2, 2011 QuoteThe Glock 23 is also a smaller gun that the Glock 19 iirc. Easier to conceal from the gun-o-phobes. No, they are the same frame size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites DaVinci 0 #20 September 2, 2011 It is not the same model of gun. It IS however one of the more popular handguns made today. So, from that angle it makes perfect sense. People who want to get upset would have gotten upset even if it was a shotgun, and they would have used the same reasons. Giffords shooting was a tragedy, but in this case it is the Democratic party that is using it for political reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #21 September 2, 2011 I hope the raffle winner is a convicted felon... This is outrageous, just STFU... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #22 September 2, 2011 I wonder why some gun-o-phobe doesn't just buy a lot of raffle tickets in hopes of winning and taking another gun off the streets to prevent it from jumping out of a closet and going on a rampage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites bodypilot90 0 #23 September 2, 2011 If more people in the crowd would have had a hand gun, perhaps the results would have been different. Oh never mind they were mostly liberals. No idea of real gun control........Hitting your target! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #24 September 2, 2011 Quote I wonder why some gun-o-phobe doesn't just buy a lot of raffle tickets in hopes of winning and taking another gun off the streets to prevent it from jumping out of a closet and going on a rampage. Ya, really...fuckin' hypocrites!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JohnRich 4 #25 September 3, 2011 Why, I'll bet they're still selling Glocks in gun stores in Arizona too! This is outrageous! Glocks should be outlawed, in honor of Gabby! It used to be popular for the gun-o-phobes to use crime statistics to try and ban whatever handgun happened to be the type most often used in crime every year. They're illogical thinking being that if they eliminated that type of handgun, then crime would drop, because the criminals wouldn't think of switching to something else, right? And if they had ever succeeded in that, then of course the next year there would be some other type of gun at the top of that list, and then they could repeat their call for a gun ban, and so on. Eventually, there wouldn't be anything left. This is just gun-o-phobes using Gabby's tragedy to advance their political agenda. Shame on them. Yeah, I voted "STFU". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. 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SkyDekker 1,465 #12 September 2, 2011 QuoteWouldn't bother me one bit Fair enough. Now I understand why you don't get the insensitive angle. Since I would find the above insensitive even (almost) 10 years later. (funny enough it has nothing to do with the carbon footprint of a 767 in United livery) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #13 September 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteWouldn't bother me one bit Fair enough. Now I understand why you don't get the insensitive angle. Since I would find the above insensitive even (almost) 10 years later. (funny enough it has nothing to do with the carbon footprint of a 767 in United livery) Exactly, inanimate objects aren't capable of killing anyone. Too bad most gun-o-phobes are incapable of understanding that. Now, if they were auctioning off Loughners actual gun or personal items that belonged to him, I would consider that in pretty bad taste. In fact, I would think it's pretty stupid to auction off a model 767 because I doubt many people would buy a lottery ticket for that. They would be better off auctioning off a Harley Davidson if they wanted to raise money for a Mosque. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kennedy 0 #14 September 2, 2011 It's not the same model. It's only the same MAKE: a glock. The Giffords shooting invovled a Glock 19. The auction in question in for a Glock 23. For those not in the know, a Glock 19 is a 9mm pistol with a magazine for 15 rounds while the Glock 23 is a .40 cal pistol with a 13 round mag. Also, I think the Loughner gun was a gen2, and the raffle gun is a gen4.witty subliminal message Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards. 1* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #15 September 2, 2011 QuoteI couldn't resist this one, it's such perfect Speakers' Corner fodder. You guys can have a nice bash at each other for days over this. It is perfect fodder for fun. I saw it last night in the SF Chronicle. They of course blurred the lines and wrote it as the same gun, which is what a lot of insensitive gun controllers will do. If they want to criticize the GOP for auctioning a gun, they certainly can. But feigning distress because the gun in question is another glock, one of the most popular brands out there (the model 23 is in fact standard issue for many government agencies) is a bit over the top. Can't wait to hear someone dig up the old line about glocks being plastic guns that won't be detected by airport security. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #16 September 2, 2011 Quote It's not the same model. It's only the same MAKE: a glock. The Giffords shooting invovled a Glock 19. The auction in question in for a Glock 23. For those not in the know, a Glock 19 is a 9mm pistol with a magazine for 15 rounds while the Glock 23 is a .40 cal pistol with a 13 round mag. Also, I think the Loughner gun was a gen2, and the raffle gun is a gen4. The Glock 23 is also a smaller gun that the Glock 19 iirc. Easier to conceal from the gun-o-phobes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #17 September 2, 2011 QuoteI don't live there but can I still buy a ticket? The shootings were committed by someone who was declared mentally incompetent for trial. That means crazy, kookoo, wacko, and institutionalized for life. Instead they want to feed him drugs to make him competent to stand trial for actions committed while he was incompetent. Then they can lock him up someplace to be incompetent again. That is just fucked up. Not to get too far on this tangent, but you're confusing & merging 2 distinct concepts: sanity at the time of the crime, and competency to stand trial, are 2 different things, with 2 different legal and psychiatric standards, and 2 different judicial means of determining them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dks13827 3 #18 September 2, 2011 If someone walked into the MSNBC lobby and pulled out his .45 to show it to his buddy, outrageous. If he pulled out a smoke and lighted up, why, that's even more outrageous these days !!! ( Neither of which is an illegal product, either. ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #19 September 2, 2011 QuoteThe Glock 23 is also a smaller gun that the Glock 19 iirc. Easier to conceal from the gun-o-phobes. No, they are the same frame size. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #20 September 2, 2011 It is not the same model of gun. It IS however one of the more popular handguns made today. So, from that angle it makes perfect sense. People who want to get upset would have gotten upset even if it was a shotgun, and they would have used the same reasons. Giffords shooting was a tragedy, but in this case it is the Democratic party that is using it for political reasons. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #21 September 2, 2011 I hope the raffle winner is a convicted felon... This is outrageous, just STFU... Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 September 2, 2011 I wonder why some gun-o-phobe doesn't just buy a lot of raffle tickets in hopes of winning and taking another gun off the streets to prevent it from jumping out of a closet and going on a rampage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bodypilot90 0 #23 September 2, 2011 If more people in the crowd would have had a hand gun, perhaps the results would have been different. Oh never mind they were mostly liberals. No idea of real gun control........Hitting your target! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #24 September 2, 2011 Quote I wonder why some gun-o-phobe doesn't just buy a lot of raffle tickets in hopes of winning and taking another gun off the streets to prevent it from jumping out of a closet and going on a rampage. Ya, really...fuckin' hypocrites!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #25 September 3, 2011 Why, I'll bet they're still selling Glocks in gun stores in Arizona too! This is outrageous! Glocks should be outlawed, in honor of Gabby! It used to be popular for the gun-o-phobes to use crime statistics to try and ban whatever handgun happened to be the type most often used in crime every year. They're illogical thinking being that if they eliminated that type of handgun, then crime would drop, because the criminals wouldn't think of switching to something else, right? And if they had ever succeeded in that, then of course the next year there would be some other type of gun at the top of that list, and then they could repeat their call for a gun ban, and so on. Eventually, there wouldn't be anything left. This is just gun-o-phobes using Gabby's tragedy to advance their political agenda. Shame on them. Yeah, I voted "STFU". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
