Belgian_Draft 0 #26 August 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteIrene was not the killer storm the media would have us believe. Starting to get annoying. And what would your reaction have been had the storm not lost strength, the media had not given it nearly as much attention, and dozens of people had died? Agreed, 100%. The danger was real (and still is - it's hitting New England hard now). Many lives have undoubtedly been saved by timely, urgent warnings. What I find annoying is all morning long, many of the TV stations have pre-empted their regular programs to give coverage to the aftermath of this storm. They look pathetic as they scurry around trying to find something to report on. Whether it be a tree limb that fell on a car or a slightly flooded street. Then they spend the next 20 minutes trying to wring some coverage out of a non-story. Could have been worse, they could have spent 20 minutes reporting on pre-season football. Oh, they did... Pre-empting reality shows should get them a medal.HAMMER: Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the object we are trying to hit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,114 #27 August 29, 2011 >They are going to be roundly dismissed the next time a storm comes along, and >rightfully so. Yep. And then right wngers will make fun of them for being so stupid when the next Katrina hits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #28 August 29, 2011 Quote>They are going to be roundly dismissed the next time a storm comes along, and >rightfully so. Yep. And then right wngers will make fun of them for being so stupid when the next Katrina hits. You mean the way the left wingers did to Bush? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote >They are going to be roundly dismissed the next time a storm comes along, and >rightfully so. Yep. And then right wngers will make fun of them for being so stupid when the next Katrina hits. You mean the way the left wingers did to Bush? You mean, "I know you are, but what am I"? OK. Anyhow, the answer is: Yes, because FEMA & Co. fucked it up. To take a more frequent example, every winter a couple of cities fuck up responding to a blizzard. Invariably, it's the mayor - regardless of party - who gets the public foot up his ass. That's how it works when you're in charge. I guarantee you, if Irene, and its consequences, had been more severe, and the feds had been lacking either in preparedness, response or advance warnings, the Obama administration would have been hung out to dry like... well, like Bush meat. (nyuk nyuk) Oh, and most of the nation at large aren't Speaker's Corner-type partisans. They just want shit to work, and don't really care which "team" gets blamed for screwing up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #30 August 29, 2011 QuoteInvariably, it's the mayor - regardless of party - who gets the public foot up his ass. That's how it works when you're in charge. Wow...who knew that Bush was mayor of New Orleans? Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #31 August 29, 2011 Quote It was a Cat 2 at peak. It's not like the Eastern seaboard hasn't seen 4s and 5s before, is it? It did seem a bit overplayed, other than it's been a while. It was actually a category 3 hurricane for quite some time and if you want to see what it could have done, just look at what it did to some of the houses in the Bahamas when it passed through there as a 3. On one of the islands I heard nearly 90% of buildings were damaged. Fact is that forecasting is difficult and the intensity guidance from the models was showing a cat 3 storm into OBX, NC. The storm ingested dry air from inland as it approached NC, this dry air disrupts the convection and the convection is what brings the FL winds down to surface level. It likely hit NC, OBX as a strong category 1 borderline category 2 (based off a 120mph wind gust report and isolated sustained reports of around 80mph+-) She then continued to degrade as she moved over the NE coast and hit New York as a strong tropical storm, now I hope the people in NY don't think they got hit by a hurricane, fact is that they got lucky, the winds could have been double what they were. The media did overhype it though, as usual. And the mets are annoyed the most because they realize that it was a lucky scenario and that media overhyping events breeds complacency. Fact is, Irene did have the potential to be catastrophic, but from early Saturday morning it was clear that it wasn't going to be that bad. But the media continued to run with the previous thoughts, can't very well go do a 180 now, all their viewers would turn off the tv The thing that made Irene seem weak to many as well was the fact that her strongest winds were very isolated in small areas by the time she reached the NE coast. So some people may have been getting 30mph and others just 20 miles away may have been getting 50-60mph. It's a catch 22 situation, because if Irene had gone on as forecast originally and as the models had suggested, the evacuations would have been completely necessary and not doing so would have ended up in more fatalities. On the other hand, what happened was that people evacuated, the storm encountered some dry air, shear etc and weakened rapidly, so now everyone thinks that will happen every time and that they know best. Evacuations are needed, and as much as I dislike government interference - some people are just too stupid to be left to think on their own. There were a few of them with Irene which you can see in some of the fatalities that occurred. If they aren't forced to evacuate, people are going to bitch and moan that thousands are dead because storm X hit and there wasn't mandatory evacuations. If they do evacuate, and the storm weakens then they are moaned at for forcing evacuations for no reason. The only difference being the first one has the added cost of body bags. If people along the coast just took the time to learn and understand tropical meteorology, even just moderately so. They would be able to make educated decisions themselves, unfortunately the very very vast majority just listen to what the TV tells them. But yes, any mention of a catastrophic storm from Saturday onwards was a lot of media hype. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #32 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote >They are going to be roundly dismissed the next time a storm comes along, and >rightfully so. Yep. And then right wngers will make fun of them for being so stupid when the next Katrina hits. You mean the way the left wingers did to Bush? You mean, "I know you are, but what am I"? OK. Anyhow, the answer is: Yes, because FEMA & Co. fucked it up. To take a more frequent example, every winter a couple of cities fuck up responding to a blizzard. Invariably, it's the mayor - regardless of party - who gets the public foot up his ass. That's how it works when you're in charge. I guarantee you, if Irene, and its consequences, had been more severe, and the feds had been lacking either in preparedness, response or advance warnings, the Obama administration would have been hung out to dry like... well, like Bush meat. (nyuk nyuk) Oh, and most of the nation at large aren't Speaker's Corner-type partisans. They just want shit to work, and don't really care which "team" gets blamed for screwing up. I'm quite aware of all that. I just found it interesting that someone who bashed Bush and FEMA for Katrina would point out that right wingers might do the same to Obama. Presidents have very little control over how these kind of emergencies are handled. That's why we have agencies like FEMA that should be non-political. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #33 August 29, 2011 QuotePresidents have very little control over how these kind of emergencies are handled. That's why we have agencies like FEMA that should be non-political. and they really should shut up too they look like idiots. we all saw Bush's speeches, and Obama's are just as bad "well, you see......the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." " 'some' people don't have power......." blah blah blah - clearly, their writers target the lowest denominator audience - the problem is, it makes the presidents sound like idiots (or reveals them to be). leadership does not equal giving useless speeches disguised as Captain Obvious. same old shit - spewing the obvious. shut up and let the locals help those that need it and FEMA is a wasteful joke. needs to be deleted. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #34 August 29, 2011 Quote ...the storm encountered some dry air, shear etc and weakened rapidly, so now everyone thinks that will happen every time and that they know best. Is this why the eye wall didn't regenerate? I thought this was a pretty good article: http://apnews.myway.com/article/20110828/D9PDAF0O0.htmlWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #35 August 29, 2011 Quote"the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #36 August 29, 2011 QuoteQuote"the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. it's not an act ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #37 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #38 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. this just shows how stupid politicians ACTUALLY think the 'little people' are. that's why Obama's speeches (and all the others) are so tedious and patronizing they really do think the public are total mental infants ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #39 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. this just shows how stupid politicians ACTUALLY think the 'little people' are. that's why Obama's speeches (and all the others) are so tedious and patronizing they really do think the public are total mental infants There are roughly 156,000,000 Americans with IQ less than 100.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. this just shows how stupid politicians ACTUALLY think the 'little people' are. that's why Obama's speeches (and all the others) are so tedious and patronizing they really do think the public are total mental infants There are roughly 156,000,000 Americans with IQ less than 100. So they are the ones that voted for Obama"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 August 29, 2011 Quote There are roughly 156,000,000 Americans with IQ less than 100. But how many of them voted in the last election? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #42 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. this just shows how stupid politicians ACTUALLY think the 'little people' are. that's why Obama's speeches (and all the others) are so tedious and patronizing they really do think the public are total mental infants There are roughly 156,000,000 Americans with IQ less than 100. So they are the ones that voted for Obama Obama only got 69,456,897 popular votes. There are some 49,000,000 Americans with IQ below 85. Following your logic these must be Bachmann/Perry/Palin supporters.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #43 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. this just shows how stupid politicians ACTUALLY think the 'little people' are. that's why Obama's speeches (and all the others) are so tedious and patronizing they really do think the public are total mental infants There are roughly 156,000,000 Americans with IQ less than 100. So they are the ones that voted for Obama Obama only got 69,456,897 popular votes. There are some 49,000,000 Americans with IQ below 85. Following your logic these must be Bachmann/Perry/Palin supporters. Hmmm So now you are saying that 100% of a demographic is the threashold? Talk about room temp IQ"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #44 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. this just shows how stupid politicians ACTUALLY think the 'little people' are. that's why Obama's speeches (and all the others) are so tedious and patronizing they really do think the public are total mental infants There are roughly 156,000,000 Americans with IQ less than 100. So they are the ones that voted for Obama Obama only got 69,456,897 popular votes. There are some 49,000,000 Americans with IQ below 85. Following your logic these must be Bachmann/Perry/Palin supporters. Hmmm So now you are saying that 100% of a demographic is the threashold? Talk about room temp IQ I'm not saying anything at all, just trying to follow rushmc logic. In Lake Wobegon all the children are above average.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote "the real issue with hurricanes is that there is a lot of water and wind." You act like everybody's supposed to know that shit. Sonofabitch, that's what that shit was? I knew it seemed familiar somehow. I just couldn't quite put my finger on it. this just shows how stupid politicians ACTUALLY think the 'little people' are. that's why Obama's speeches (and all the others) are so tedious and patronizing they really do think the public are total mental infants There are roughly 156,000,000 Americans with IQ less than 100. So they are the ones that voted for Obama Obama only got 69,456,897 popular votes. There are some 49,000,000 Americans with IQ below 85. Following your logic these must be Bachmann/Perry/Palin supporters. Hmmm So now you are saying that 100% of a demographic is the threashold? Talk about room temp IQ I'm not saying anything at all, just trying to follow rushmc logic. In Lake Wobegon all the children are above average. So you can spin but no one else can? Hmm That is freezer temp IQ"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #46 August 29, 2011 Not my fault if you can't tell the difference between 69,456,897 and 156,000,000... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #47 August 29, 2011 Quote Not my fault if you can't tell the difference between 69,456,897 and 156,000,000 Nope, its not But that is not the issue now is it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #48 August 29, 2011 Quote Quote Not my fault if you can't tell the difference between 69,456,897 and 156,000,000 Nope, its not But that is not the issue now is it Hey, don't go all mnealtx and try to disown your own words.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #49 August 29, 2011 QuoteI live just north of NYC. The Weather Channel (aka around here as The Disaster Channel) definitely over-hyped this storm. Streams of people needlessly evacuated. They are going to be roundly dismissed the next time a storm comes along, and rightfully so. Hopefully the next storm won't be a 3 or 4, like Gloria or the 1938 Long Island Express hurricane."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #50 August 29, 2011 Quote Hopefully the next storm won't be a 3 or 4, like Gloria or the 1938 Long Island Express hurricane. That was the point of my early post. I should have been more explicit in my criticism, as billvon rightfully pointed out.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
