quade 4 #26 August 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSo, we won't be hearing anything else about the Mt. Soledad military memorial being a religious site? Good. You mean the one with the 29 foot tall cross so large and dominantly visible for miles around it's shown on charts as an aviation landmark? Yeah, how could anyone confuse that with a religious facility? Oh, I don't know....maybe the lack of religious service space - you know, unlike the "Muslim YMCA" in Manhattan. Oh, Mike, you're so cute when you talk about things like this . . . and also so adorably uninformed. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Soledad_cross_controversy#Mt._Soledad_Easter_Cross_or_War_Memorial.3F I'm aware of the controversy, Paul - why did you think I mentioned it in the first place? If Park 51 isn't a mosque due to the reasons you posted, then the Mt. Soledad War Memorial isn't a religious site either. You don't get to have it both ways. Mike, my point is the cross, which IS the only controversy about the Mt. Soledad site, was erected specifically as a religious symbol and the site has been used for at least 50 years for religious services. Remove both from GOVERNMENT property and there is no issue with the military war memorial. Contrast that with the supposed mosque which isn't a mosque and yes the comparison to a YMCA is precisely correct. It's private land with a proposed use that is not only allowed by zoning laws, but protected by the US Constitution. Gee Mike, I thought you were in favor of smaller government and not regulating private rights. Is that no longer the case?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 August 27, 2011 QuoteMike, my point is the cross, which IS the only controversy about the Mt. Soledad site, was erected specifically as a religious symbol and the site has been used for at least 50 years for religious services. Remove both from GOVERNMENT property and there is no issue with the military war memorial.[/rpely] And now it's NOT used for religious services - unlike the planned Park 51. QuoteContrast that with the supposed mosque which isn't a mosque and yes the comparison to a YMCA is precisely correct. Young Men's CHRISTIAN Association? The places that have religious services and prayer rooms? I agree. QuoteIt's private land with a proposed use that is not only allowed by zoning laws, but protected by the US Constitution. Never claimed it wasn't. QuoteGee Mike, I thought you were in favor of smaller government and not regulating private rights. Is that no longer the case? Find where I've said the gov't shouldn't allow it to be built.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #28 August 27, 2011 QuoteFind where I've said the gov't shouldn't allow it to be built. If not the government, then who are you proposing stop the developers from building it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #29 August 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteFind where I've said the gov't shouldn't allow it to be built. If not the government, then who are you proposing stop the developers from building it? Where did I claim that it shouldn't be allowed to be built?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites quade 4 #30 August 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteFind where I've said the gov't shouldn't allow it to be built. If not the government, then who are you proposing stop the developers from building it? Where did I claim that it shouldn't be allowed to be built? GREAT! Glad to hear it. Now, are we clear as to what is and isn't allowed on government versus private property?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #31 August 27, 2011 Quote Same reason Christians didn't denounce the Norwegian terrorist who killed over 70 people in the name of Christ, I suppose. I can not speak for where you live, but in my neck of the woods plenty of Christians were denouncing Andreas Brevik. Besides wherever did you get this "Killed for Christ" theory. There is a lot out there about whether Brevik was even a Christian or what kind of Christian he was. Not that I wasted my time reading it, but from what I understand he is all over the map with his manifesto quoting people on both sides of the fence. Obviously no rational person can defend the way Brevik chose violence as his way to get attention. But there are many people who believe some of what he said like stopping the spread is Islam throughout Europe and other parts of the world. Maybe some people were silent to voice their true opinions because maybe some people remembered "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". We have something similar going on here north of the border this week (minus the mass murdering of course). I won't go into nitty gritty details, but one of Canada's national Leftist political leaders passed away from cancer. He had had cancer for several years, but he went from someone who in early May looked reasonably normal to someone in July who you knew he was soon going to be a goner to where he finally lost his battle on Monday. Anyway apparently he wrote a letter to all Canadians on his death bed. Part of this letter was non-partisan and other parts were highly partisan. I don't know about other people, but when I am really sick, the last thing I want to do is write some massive "touchy feely goodie two shoes feel good about yourself and spread the politically correct Leftist love" message to everyone. Quite honestly when I am really sick I just want to die. So naturally some people have questioned the authenticity of this letter which have sent the political Left and their media outlets ape shit against anyone who questions them. So this is definitely one of those "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" weeks. Oops too late. I said something (first time all week I have mentioned this dead politician). Haha ... but I won't tell you how I really feel. Just because some Christians did not condemn Andreas Brevik does not mean they supported him. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #32 August 27, 2011 Well, he was just completely mad. If he was as mad as the suicide bombers who flew the airlines into the WTC it's neither here nor there. Unless of course you want to build a religious 'thing' on the island where he committed his atrocities, becuase you 'feel' you have to acknowledge and worship whatever the fuckin' mad cunt was worshipping. Jeez... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #33 August 27, 2011 I am not so sure Brevik is mad. I think he is just what happens when you mix pure arrogance and pure evil together. BTW ... in case you did not know this. I am agnostic and will slam Christians when they should be slammed (like slamming Pat Robertson for being a complete fool in thinking God was mad at the USA and thus put a crack in the Washington Monument). But I also am in 100% support of religious freedom just as long as the religious people respect my right to not believe in what they believe. Not all religious people respect this, but most do. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #34 August 27, 2011 He was very mad. Why aren't you so sure?? I mean, he fuckin' killed numerous innocent men, women and children...and you're not so sure he wasn't mad? I couldn't care less on your religion. The fact is, you're saying you don't think a proven mad man wasn't so mad? Through mixing arrogance and pure evil...? Good day Sir! Ok. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #35 August 27, 2011 QuoteGREAT! Glad to hear it. Now, are we clear as to what is and isn't allowed on government versus private property? I am - not so sure about you, though, if you still think Mt. Soledad is a religious site.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites CanuckInUSA 0 #36 August 27, 2011 Quote I couldn't care less on your religion. LOL ... I don't think you know what an agnostic is. What can I say, we agnostics are a confused lot. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites vortexring 0 #37 August 27, 2011 Quote Quote I couldn't care less on your religion. LOL ... I don't think you know what an agnostic is. What can I say, we agnostics are a confused lot. I guess you must be, considering you said: 'I am not so sure Brevik is mad..." So was he fucking sane??? It's either one or the other! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #38 August 27, 2011 Quotelike slamming Pat Robertson for being a complete fool in thinking God was mad at the USA and thus put a crack in the Washington Monument That's not why Robertson says outrageous shit. He doesn't really believe any of that shit he says. He periodically says outrageous shit for the same reason, say, Limbaugh or Coulter do it: to keep himself (as we skydivers say) "current" in the public eye, i.e., to put his name in the news the next day ("There's no such thing as bad publicity"), and generate income thereby. And it usually works as intended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 3 #39 August 27, 2011 QuoteWell, he was just completely mad. If he was as mad as the suicide bombers who flew the airlines into the WTC it's neither here nor there. I use "mad" to mean "mentally ill". I don't think the 9/11 terrorists were mad at all; they were sane, calculating killers. I do think the guy who shot up Ft. Hood last year did so due to mental illness. I think it's still unclear whether mental illness was or was not a principal motivator for Brevik's rampage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #40 August 27, 2011 Not that old chestnut again. (Subject matter, not you. Good to see you back) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #41 August 27, 2011 Quote Coming up next - Breivik wasn't a conservative because he once rode in a Prius. LMAOWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Skyrad 0 #42 August 27, 2011 Quote If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all Thats so adorably Canadian.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #43 August 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteWell, he was just completely mad. If he was as mad as the suicide bombers who flew the airlines into the WTC it's neither here nor there. I use "mad" to mean "mentally ill". I don't think the 9/11 terrorists were mad at all; they were sane, calculating killers. I do think the guy who shot up Ft. Hood last year did so due to mental illness. I think it's still unclear whether mental illness was or was not a principal motivator for Brevik's rampage. given the collaboration with the others doing the bombing, I side against madness as the defense. One of them, maybe. Both, not so likely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funjumper101 15 #44 August 27, 2011 I would appreciate it if the RWC morons would do some fact checking before following the assholes on Faux news blindly down the path of DUMB AS DIRT, ANTI-CONSTITUTION, AMERICA HATING IDIOCY!!!! Are you morons too stupid to use Google maps? The site of the facility is NOT at ground zero. It is blocks away. For the rural morons, that is a long way, when measured in Manhattan distances. Why do you despise the constitutional protections of freedom of religion? Could it be that you don't really believe in that, unless your leaders appove the religion? If you had learned basic civics, you would know that isn't how it works. Quite the opposite. Why was a Shinto Shrine built in Pearl Harbor? Why aren't you Constitution hating idiots all whipped into a frenzy over that? That TRULY is a religious facility built in the area of GROUND ZERO for the heinous attack that pushed the USA into WWII. Shinto is the religion that was the official religion of Japan at that time. Learn and respect the lessons of history and calm down!! Your complete lack of respect for the ideals and morals that this country is supposed to stand for is disgusting. Violating the Constituion because you have been tricked into hating a religion is quite twisted. How do you manage to look in a mirror without feeling like gullible fucknuggets? DUMB AS DIRT, and really proud of it. Ignorance is a curable state. Utter stupidity apparenty is quite contagious if you are an RWC. Read and learn a bit and you can overcome the corrosive influence of the hatemongers at Faux Spews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #45 August 27, 2011 Same lame bile-spewing by funjumper...what a surprise. QuoteThe site of the facility is NOT at ground zero. It is blocks away. For the rural morons, that is a long way, when measured in Manhattan distances. You're right - we'll just call it the "Debris Field" Mosque. I mean - the Burlington Coat Factory that was there had to shut down after 9/11 due to damage, afterall. QuoteWhy do you despise the constitutional protections of freedom of religion? Don't recall seeing that Fed.gov said it couldn't be built. You *do* realize that the BOR is a restriction on Government, not individuals, right? You know, that whole "Congress shall make no law" thing. QuoteCould it be that you don't really believe in that, unless your leaders appove the religion? Like how your side is supporting this and screaming about how Christians are "shoving their religion down your throat"? Thanks for showing (yet again) the hypocrisy of the Left. QuoteIf you had learned basic civics, you would know that isn't how it works. Quite the opposite. See above - the BOR is a restriction upon Fed.gov, not individuals. If you had learned basic civics, you would have realized that. QuoteViolating the Constituion because you have been tricked into hating a religion is quite twisted. Again, show where Fed.gov is preventing the construction. Speaking of religious hate, I recall you again to statements of 'religion being shoved down your throat'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #46 August 28, 2011 And how is the existence of a Muslim center 'shoving it down your throat?' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #47 August 28, 2011 QuoteAnd how is the existence of a Muslim center 'shoving it down your throat?' It's not. There's plenty of quotes from NYer's that feel it should be built somewhere else, though, due to the proximity. Compare / contrast that to the opinions of some here, where any mention of religion is 'shoving it down their throat'. There's plenty of 'freedom from religion' references to choose from.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #48 August 28, 2011 QuoteYour complete lack of respect for the ideals and morals that this country is supposed to stand for is disgusting. Violating the Constituion because you have been tricked into hating a religion is quite twisted. How do you manage to look in a mirror without feeling like gullible fucknuggets? It's not just hate of Muslims and NYC. Some are yelling about a Catholic memorial across from the Alfred P. Murrah site in OKC. McVey was raised Catholic. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/08/16/893568/-Catholic-Church-desecrates-site-of-Oklahoma-City-bombing This is nicely put: http://freakoutnation.com/2010/08/16/should-no-churches-be-allowed-near-the-oklahoma-city-bomb-site/ I'm not religious. I have no belief in any type of god at all. I do believe in the sentiment of our constitutional rights. As with the Catholic memorial in OKC, the Muslim community center is fine with me. Even if it wasn't, I do not have to like it, I only must respect their rights as Americans. If I wish for others to respect my constitutionally protected rights, I must respect theirs. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Is that not what the bible tells its reader? If so, then they should practice it."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #49 August 28, 2011 QuoteDo unto others as you would have others do unto you. Is that not what the bible tells its reader? If so, then they should practice it. Imagine if everyone practiced it...then all we'd have to worry about were masochists.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... 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quade 4 #28 August 27, 2011 QuoteFind where I've said the gov't shouldn't allow it to be built. If not the government, then who are you proposing stop the developers from building it?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #29 August 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteFind where I've said the gov't shouldn't allow it to be built. If not the government, then who are you proposing stop the developers from building it? Where did I claim that it shouldn't be allowed to be built?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 August 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteFind where I've said the gov't shouldn't allow it to be built. If not the government, then who are you proposing stop the developers from building it? Where did I claim that it shouldn't be allowed to be built? GREAT! Glad to hear it. Now, are we clear as to what is and isn't allowed on government versus private property?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #31 August 27, 2011 Quote Same reason Christians didn't denounce the Norwegian terrorist who killed over 70 people in the name of Christ, I suppose. I can not speak for where you live, but in my neck of the woods plenty of Christians were denouncing Andreas Brevik. Besides wherever did you get this "Killed for Christ" theory. There is a lot out there about whether Brevik was even a Christian or what kind of Christian he was. Not that I wasted my time reading it, but from what I understand he is all over the map with his manifesto quoting people on both sides of the fence. Obviously no rational person can defend the way Brevik chose violence as his way to get attention. But there are many people who believe some of what he said like stopping the spread is Islam throughout Europe and other parts of the world. Maybe some people were silent to voice their true opinions because maybe some people remembered "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". We have something similar going on here north of the border this week (minus the mass murdering of course). I won't go into nitty gritty details, but one of Canada's national Leftist political leaders passed away from cancer. He had had cancer for several years, but he went from someone who in early May looked reasonably normal to someone in July who you knew he was soon going to be a goner to where he finally lost his battle on Monday. Anyway apparently he wrote a letter to all Canadians on his death bed. Part of this letter was non-partisan and other parts were highly partisan. I don't know about other people, but when I am really sick, the last thing I want to do is write some massive "touchy feely goodie two shoes feel good about yourself and spread the politically correct Leftist love" message to everyone. Quite honestly when I am really sick I just want to die. So naturally some people have questioned the authenticity of this letter which have sent the political Left and their media outlets ape shit against anyone who questions them. So this is definitely one of those "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" weeks. Oops too late. I said something (first time all week I have mentioned this dead politician). Haha ... but I won't tell you how I really feel. Just because some Christians did not condemn Andreas Brevik does not mean they supported him. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #32 August 27, 2011 Well, he was just completely mad. If he was as mad as the suicide bombers who flew the airlines into the WTC it's neither here nor there. Unless of course you want to build a religious 'thing' on the island where he committed his atrocities, becuase you 'feel' you have to acknowledge and worship whatever the fuckin' mad cunt was worshipping. Jeez... 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #33 August 27, 2011 I am not so sure Brevik is mad. I think he is just what happens when you mix pure arrogance and pure evil together. BTW ... in case you did not know this. I am agnostic and will slam Christians when they should be slammed (like slamming Pat Robertson for being a complete fool in thinking God was mad at the USA and thus put a crack in the Washington Monument). But I also am in 100% support of religious freedom just as long as the religious people respect my right to not believe in what they believe. Not all religious people respect this, but most do. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #34 August 27, 2011 He was very mad. Why aren't you so sure?? I mean, he fuckin' killed numerous innocent men, women and children...and you're not so sure he wasn't mad? I couldn't care less on your religion. The fact is, you're saying you don't think a proven mad man wasn't so mad? Through mixing arrogance and pure evil...? Good day Sir! Ok. 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 August 27, 2011 QuoteGREAT! Glad to hear it. Now, are we clear as to what is and isn't allowed on government versus private property? I am - not so sure about you, though, if you still think Mt. Soledad is a religious site.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #36 August 27, 2011 Quote I couldn't care less on your religion. LOL ... I don't think you know what an agnostic is. What can I say, we agnostics are a confused lot. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
vortexring 0 #37 August 27, 2011 Quote Quote I couldn't care less on your religion. LOL ... I don't think you know what an agnostic is. What can I say, we agnostics are a confused lot. I guess you must be, considering you said: 'I am not so sure Brevik is mad..." So was he fucking sane??? It's either one or the other! 'for it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "chuck 'im out, the brute!" But it's "saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot.' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #38 August 27, 2011 Quotelike slamming Pat Robertson for being a complete fool in thinking God was mad at the USA and thus put a crack in the Washington Monument That's not why Robertson says outrageous shit. He doesn't really believe any of that shit he says. He periodically says outrageous shit for the same reason, say, Limbaugh or Coulter do it: to keep himself (as we skydivers say) "current" in the public eye, i.e., to put his name in the news the next day ("There's no such thing as bad publicity"), and generate income thereby. And it usually works as intended. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #39 August 27, 2011 QuoteWell, he was just completely mad. If he was as mad as the suicide bombers who flew the airlines into the WTC it's neither here nor there. I use "mad" to mean "mentally ill". I don't think the 9/11 terrorists were mad at all; they were sane, calculating killers. I do think the guy who shot up Ft. Hood last year did so due to mental illness. I think it's still unclear whether mental illness was or was not a principal motivator for Brevik's rampage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #40 August 27, 2011 Not that old chestnut again. (Subject matter, not you. Good to see you back) When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #41 August 27, 2011 Quote Coming up next - Breivik wasn't a conservative because he once rode in a Prius. LMAOWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #42 August 27, 2011 Quote If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all Thats so adorably Canadian.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 August 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteWell, he was just completely mad. If he was as mad as the suicide bombers who flew the airlines into the WTC it's neither here nor there. I use "mad" to mean "mentally ill". I don't think the 9/11 terrorists were mad at all; they were sane, calculating killers. I do think the guy who shot up Ft. Hood last year did so due to mental illness. I think it's still unclear whether mental illness was or was not a principal motivator for Brevik's rampage. given the collaboration with the others doing the bombing, I side against madness as the defense. One of them, maybe. Both, not so likely. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #44 August 27, 2011 I would appreciate it if the RWC morons would do some fact checking before following the assholes on Faux news blindly down the path of DUMB AS DIRT, ANTI-CONSTITUTION, AMERICA HATING IDIOCY!!!! Are you morons too stupid to use Google maps? The site of the facility is NOT at ground zero. It is blocks away. For the rural morons, that is a long way, when measured in Manhattan distances. Why do you despise the constitutional protections of freedom of religion? Could it be that you don't really believe in that, unless your leaders appove the religion? If you had learned basic civics, you would know that isn't how it works. Quite the opposite. Why was a Shinto Shrine built in Pearl Harbor? Why aren't you Constitution hating idiots all whipped into a frenzy over that? That TRULY is a religious facility built in the area of GROUND ZERO for the heinous attack that pushed the USA into WWII. Shinto is the religion that was the official religion of Japan at that time. Learn and respect the lessons of history and calm down!! Your complete lack of respect for the ideals and morals that this country is supposed to stand for is disgusting. Violating the Constituion because you have been tricked into hating a religion is quite twisted. How do you manage to look in a mirror without feeling like gullible fucknuggets? DUMB AS DIRT, and really proud of it. Ignorance is a curable state. Utter stupidity apparenty is quite contagious if you are an RWC. Read and learn a bit and you can overcome the corrosive influence of the hatemongers at Faux Spews. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 August 27, 2011 Same lame bile-spewing by funjumper...what a surprise. QuoteThe site of the facility is NOT at ground zero. It is blocks away. For the rural morons, that is a long way, when measured in Manhattan distances. You're right - we'll just call it the "Debris Field" Mosque. I mean - the Burlington Coat Factory that was there had to shut down after 9/11 due to damage, afterall. QuoteWhy do you despise the constitutional protections of freedom of religion? Don't recall seeing that Fed.gov said it couldn't be built. You *do* realize that the BOR is a restriction on Government, not individuals, right? You know, that whole "Congress shall make no law" thing. QuoteCould it be that you don't really believe in that, unless your leaders appove the religion? Like how your side is supporting this and screaming about how Christians are "shoving their religion down your throat"? Thanks for showing (yet again) the hypocrisy of the Left. QuoteIf you had learned basic civics, you would know that isn't how it works. Quite the opposite. See above - the BOR is a restriction upon Fed.gov, not individuals. If you had learned basic civics, you would have realized that. QuoteViolating the Constituion because you have been tricked into hating a religion is quite twisted. Again, show where Fed.gov is preventing the construction. Speaking of religious hate, I recall you again to statements of 'religion being shoved down your throat'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #46 August 28, 2011 And how is the existence of a Muslim center 'shoving it down your throat?' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 August 28, 2011 QuoteAnd how is the existence of a Muslim center 'shoving it down your throat?' It's not. There's plenty of quotes from NYer's that feel it should be built somewhere else, though, due to the proximity. Compare / contrast that to the opinions of some here, where any mention of religion is 'shoving it down their throat'. There's plenty of 'freedom from religion' references to choose from.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #48 August 28, 2011 QuoteYour complete lack of respect for the ideals and morals that this country is supposed to stand for is disgusting. Violating the Constituion because you have been tricked into hating a religion is quite twisted. How do you manage to look in a mirror without feeling like gullible fucknuggets? It's not just hate of Muslims and NYC. Some are yelling about a Catholic memorial across from the Alfred P. Murrah site in OKC. McVey was raised Catholic. http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/08/16/893568/-Catholic-Church-desecrates-site-of-Oklahoma-City-bombing This is nicely put: http://freakoutnation.com/2010/08/16/should-no-churches-be-allowed-near-the-oklahoma-city-bomb-site/ I'm not religious. I have no belief in any type of god at all. I do believe in the sentiment of our constitutional rights. As with the Catholic memorial in OKC, the Muslim community center is fine with me. Even if it wasn't, I do not have to like it, I only must respect their rights as Americans. If I wish for others to respect my constitutionally protected rights, I must respect theirs. Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Is that not what the bible tells its reader? If so, then they should practice it."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #49 August 28, 2011 QuoteDo unto others as you would have others do unto you. Is that not what the bible tells its reader? If so, then they should practice it. Imagine if everyone practiced it...then all we'd have to worry about were masochists.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
