Republicans Propose New tax on Everyone but the wealthy.

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Your data on % of taxes paid in various income brackets are meaningless in the context of this discussion because the brackets are not adjusted for inflation, nor for the changing % of taxpayers within each bracket between 2000 and 2009. Is that clear to you now?

I know you're desperate to try to disprove what the numbers show, but they're still valid - each bracket is compared to it's year only.

If I had stated that 'bracket x was y percent larger in 2009 than 2000' or 'bracket a paid b percent more dollars in 2009 than in 2000', you might have a point about demographics or inflation - unfortunately for your strawman, that's not the case.

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Discussing anything with you reminds me of the Heinlein quote "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes time and annoys the pig"?

Come to think of it...you *DO* seem sort of annoyed. You're not going to start grunting, are you?

And so mnealtx reverts once again to the 3rd grade "rubber/glue" debating tactic.

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[kallend 2,148]

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You have no clue how to interpret data. You have shown it over and over.

That is all.

10% of a total is 10% of a total, regardless of demographics or inflation.

Your strawman 'argument' is nothing but a desperate attempt to discredit the poster instead of rebutting the post. You have shown it over and over.

That is all.

I see that you still haven't figured out what a "strawman" fallacy is.

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Yet, in a past thread, you moaned about all those poor people not paying taxes!

Pointed out that they do not pay taxes in response to the patently false whining about the rich 'expecting everything for nothing'? Yes.

Moaned about it? No.

You *do* like to make those strawmen, don't you?

Explain, in detail, how my statement is a straw man.

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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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The Democrats wanted a balanced plan to cut spending and increase revenue, but the Republicans would not accept any revenue increases whatsoever.

I saw no "real" Dem plan to cut spending of any kind. It was all discussions about the extent of the massive increase. You can't say that a "slightly less massive increase" = "a cut". Only politicians really believe that level of semantic crap - and the brainwashed advocates that worship them.

This is also 100% true of the Republican plan that actually passed. It just about guarentees the deficit rises from 14t to 22t and makes very tiny "cuts" to forecast increases while pushing all the hard decisions down the road.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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And so mnealtx reverts once again to the 3rd grade "rubber/glue" debating tactic.

What's amazing is that you think your drivel deserved anything more than that.

Mike
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I see that you still haven't figured out what a "strawman" fallacy is.

You've fabricated a version of my argument to rebut - seems like that fits the definition.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Well I was hoping that Bill might answer. Amazon D.D. and Kallend (I only know Kallend and personally like him...90% of his post are BS and he knows it but he loves baiting people)

The Rep need to agree to a raise of taxes to take that off the table. No one that is serious believes me can tax our way out of this mess. the trick is to raise taxes in a manner that does not screw the middle class.

I've decide to support Warren Buffett TAX THE PURE SHIT OUT OF THESES GUYS.

Don't raise MY taxes though.

There I'm an Obama supporter I have bought into the class warefare

I believe I am safe saying this. If you make over $100,000 a year you are in the top 10% of earners. That makes you RICH. So keep that in mind when you say "tax the rich" If you want change that to mega rich, (Warren Buffett) and you to can become an Obama supporter and be in favor of class warefare.

So Amazon ("No shit sherlocks" how cool, your full of class) DD and Kallend. Thanks for actually doing everything but answering the question

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Yet, in a past thread, you moaned about all those poor people not paying taxes!

Pointed out that they do not pay taxes in response to the patently false whining about the rich 'expecting everything for nothing'? Yes.

Moaned about it? No.

You *do* like to make those strawmen, don't you?

Explain, in detail, how my statement is a straw man.

Explained above, and obvious from reading the post in question.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[kallend 2,148]

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I see that you still haven't figured out what a "strawman" fallacy is.

You've fabricated a version of my argument to rebut - seems like that fits the definition.

Only in your own mind.

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I see that you still haven't figured out what a "strawman" fallacy is.

You've fabricated a version of my argument to rebut - seems like that fits the definition.

Only in your own mind.

Then prove the number wrong, John. Oh, that's right ...you CAN'T or you would have done it already.

You've made up a non-existant comparison and argue against it. That is the very definition of a strawman argument.

Demographics don't change the fact that "X" people in "Y" bracket were taxed for year "Z". Inflation doesn't change the fact that "A" bracket paid "B" percent of the total taxes for year "C".

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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I see that you still haven't figured out what a "strawman" fallacy is.

You've fabricated a version of my argument to rebut - seems like that fits the definition.

Only in your own mind.

Then prove the number wrong, John. Oh, that's right ...you CAN'T or you would have done it already.

You've made up a non-existant comparison and argue against it. That is the very definition of a strawman argument.

Demographics don't change the fact that "X" people in "Y" bracket were taxed for year "Z". Inflation doesn't change the fact that "A" bracket paid "B" percent of the total taxes for year "C".

That IS a strawman. I didn't claim the number was wrong, I claimed it was meaningless to compare 2000 with 2009 in the absence of inflation and demographic correction, and it is.

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I believe I am safe saying this. If you make over $100,000 a year you are in the top 10% of earners. That makes you RICH.

not around here, it doesn't. Can't afford a decent condo, let alone house.

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The Democrats wanted a balanced plan to cut spending and increase revenue, but the Republicans would not accept any revenue increases whatsoever.

I saw no "real" Dem plan to cut spending of any kind. It was all discussions about the extent of the massive increase. You can't say that a "slightly less massive increase" = "a cut". Only politicians really believe that level of semantic crap - and the brainwashed advocates that worship them.

This is also 100% true of the Republican plan that actually passed. It just about guarentees the deficit rises from 14t to 22t and makes very tiny "cuts" to forecast increases while pushing all the hard decisions down the road.

AGREED - they both played smoke and mirrors while the Tea Party gets mocked for trying advocate real cuts. (well, they got mocked for other things, but this was why they were really getting the huge discredit effort at them)

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I see that you still haven't figured out what a "strawman" fallacy is.

You've fabricated a version of my argument to rebut - seems like that fits the definition.

Only in your own mind.

Then prove the number wrong, John. Oh, that's right ...you CAN'T or you would have done it already.

You've made up a non-existant comparison and argue against it. That is the very definition of a strawman argument.

Demographics don't change the fact that "X" people in "Y" bracket were taxed for year "Z". Inflation doesn't change the fact that "A" bracket paid "B" percent of the total taxes for year "C".

That IS a strawman.

Only in your mind.

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I didn't claim the number was wrong, I claimed it was meaningless to compare 2000 with 2009 in the absence of inflation and demographic correction, and it is.

IF I had compared total tax collected between years, you might have a point as that *would* be affected by inflation. IF I had compared total returns between years, you might have a point as that would be affected by demographics.

I made no such comparisons. Enter your strawman argument that such comparison was made. It was not.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[kallend 2,148]

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I believe I am safe saying this. If you make over $100,000 a year you are in the top 10% of earners. That makes you RICH.

not around here, it doesn't. Can't afford a decent condo, let alone house.

Would have made you rich 100 years ago.

Which is why inflation needs to be accounted for when comparing % of taxes paid by people in various income brackets.

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I see that you still haven't figured out what a "strawman" fallacy is.

You've fabricated a version of my argument to rebut - seems like that fits the definition.

Only in your own mind.

Then prove the number wrong, John. Oh, that's right ...you CAN'T or you would have done it already.

You've made up a non-existant comparison and argue against it. That is the very definition of a strawman argument.

Demographics don't change the fact that "X" people in "Y" bracket were taxed for year "Z". Inflation doesn't change the fact that "A" bracket paid "B" percent of the total taxes for year "C".

That IS a strawman.

Only in your mind.

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I didn't claim the number was wrong, I claimed it was meaningless to compare 2000 with 2009 in the absence of inflation and demographic correction, and it is.

IF I had compared total tax collected between years, you might have a point as that *would* be affected by inflation. IF I had compared total returns between years, you might have a point as that would be affected by demographics.

I made no such comparisons. Enter your strawman argument that such comparison was made. It was not.

Why, then, did you present the data for 2000 and 2009? (Posts #78 and 87, this very thread). Short-term memory giving you trouble again, or just weaseling as usual?

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Why, then, did you present the data for 2000 and 2009? (Posts #78 and 87, this very thread). Short-term memory giving you trouble again, or just weaseling as usual?

Short term memory giving you trouble again, or just lying about my posts as usual?

I provided the data for individual years, not data comparing them.

Feel free to show where I that there X percent more/less tax collected in total between the years, or X percent more/less returns between the years - you know, something that would actually make your claim be TRUE.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Well I was hoping that Bill might answer. Amazon D.D. and Kallend (I only know Kallend and personally like him...90% of his post are BS and he knows it but he loves baiting people)

The Rep need to agree to a raise of taxes to take that off the table. No one that is serious believes me can tax our way out of this mess. the trick is to raise taxes in a manner that does not screw the middle class.

I've decide to support Warren Buffett TAX THE PURE SHIT OUT OF THESES GUYS.

Don't raise MY taxes though.

There I'm an Obama supporter I have bought into the class warefare

I believe I am safe saying this. If you make over $100,000 a year you are in the top 10% of earners. That makes you RICH. So keep that in mind when you say "tax the rich" If you want change that to mega rich, (Warren Buffett) and you to can become an Obama supporter and be in favor of class warefare.

So Amazon ("No shit sherlocks" how cool, your full of class) DD and Kallend. Thanks for actually doing everything but answering the question

I did answer it... just not with the pablum you wanted to be spoon fed with

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I believe I am safe saying this. If you make over $100,000 a year you are in the top 10% of earners. That makes you RICH.

not around here, it doesn't. Can't afford a decent condo, let alone house.

WOOT.. I guess I am rich..... why don't I feel rich... oh thats right.. I work around people who are stinking rich everyday and I get a chance to see what REALLLY rich REALLLY looks like.

Funny thing is.. most of those people.. know that taxes are going to need to be raised.. to be able to pay down the TRICKLE DOWN DISASTER that the GOP has foisted on the country. If there is no one to consume the products in large numbers... the company goes down the tubes. Too bad the GOAT FUCK stupid...really are too fucking stupid to grasp that concept.

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why don't I feel rich

Jeanie, try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yml4BNET0

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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why don't I feel rich

Jeanie, try this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-yml4BNET0

COOOOL.. its sold at WalMart.. that is why so many of these rubes are feeling rich... its where they shop.. making the Waltons and the Chinese richer day after day while waiting for their TRICKLE.

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Across the country on September 1, nurses will converge on local congressional offices to demand a tax on Wall Street financial speculation, a move they say is a step towards healing the nation, trimming the deficit, and preserving social programs.

National Nurses United (NNU) is planning a day of action in over 60 congressional offices in 21 states. In Wisconsin, the group is sponsoring a soup kitchen outside of Rep. Paul Ryan's Janesville office "to provide residents with the sustenance they are not getting from Paul Ryan," says NNU spokesman Charles Idelson.

Jan Rodolfo, RN, national coordinator for NNU, says nurses are uniquely aware of the economic recession's impact on Americans. "We are at the bedside during people's moments of crisis, we see the decline in health and living standards, and we hear people's stories," she said. "We see how widespread the impact of this economic crisis really is."

"People feel like it is all their fault, that their decisions in life put them where they are," said Rodolfo, "but we have seen that this is really a systemic problem, that Wall Street gambling and corporate giveaways and tax breaks are what put the economy in its current state."

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before your great Economist who did such a stellar job with every form of business or government entity he ever touched came to power.

You don't know shit about me. "your" gmab

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There is something to be learned from that.. if only the GOAT FUCK STUPID.... would actually listen and learn

ROTFLOL, the only "goat fucking" that has gone on has to be the mods that allow you to basically make comments like that.

I'm so impressed that you hang out with people that make mid 6 figures.

As far as rich goes. Impressive if I can read between the "goat fuck stupid" replies...that you make over $100,000k but I clearly stated that it didn't matter where the fuck you live. Have you noticed that tax brackets aren't based on where you live???

Any way I've learned my lesson (as others stated) you won't answer any direct question.

Have a Goat fucking great day

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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Have a Goat fucking great day

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not around here, it doesn't. Can't afford a decent condo, let alone house

As stated tax brackets don't give a shit where you live. But feel free to answer the orginal question, what is "rich" ...say at the level you say should pay more.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little