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Republicans Propose New tax on Everyone but the wealthy.

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grimmie    186

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Debated in March of 08 when this came out

How about your outrage over Obama's GE buddies?


I'm with you on that one. Now what ya got for me?B|

Hey, no one is better prepared to discuss business taxes than the man who has gamed the system so well that his company doesn’t pay any at all. What’s that old saying — it takes a thief to catch a thief?
This problem started long before Barack Obama came to Washington, or even the Illinois state legislature. The culprit here is not any one person but both parties, who have created a tax code that I’d call Byzantine, except I don’t want to offend the Byzantines with the comparison. When we see one company avoid paying any taxes thanks to tax breaks it helped engineer, that means other companies end up losing in the process. The government doesn’t just structure the code to protect its allies and favored players in markets, it also has to prioritize enforcement, thanks to the impossible task of applying the volumes of tax code to every single entity.
The New York Times’ report treats as ironic the Obama administration’s solution to this issue — lowering the corporate tax rate — but it’s actually the right start. Not only do we need to lower the corporate rate to make it more competitive in the global market, but we need to rid ourselves of the massive, incomprehensible tax code that allows politicians to curry favor and pick winners and losers in the market. We need a flat-rate corporate tax that treats GE the same as it does its competitors, and that doesn’t allow Congress to create back-door subsidies and penalties for innovation and market success. Those reforms should come concurrently with a change to a rational corporate tax rate, not before, after, or in place of.

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mnealtx    0

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I didn't see much outrage over this little payroll tax con game.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2008/03/06/top_iraq_contractor_skirts_us_taxes_offshore/

Your Republican pals at work.



Nice spin attempt - gotta love the lame attempt to tie it to Cheny, too.

Unfortunately for your argument, it's legal - just like the Indian tribes in the other thread.



I'm not arguing anything. Just pointing out that a company that got billions of US tax dollars ripped off the national piggy bank. Legal, yup. Right, nope.



Yeah, like I said - nice spin. Better grab that neck brace from the BLS bag, you're gonna need it.

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If you want to argue about underfunding programs, start here.



"Here" being your false premise?

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And I'm not sure just how many Democrats or Independent voters sit on the board of Haliburton and KBR. And Dick Cheney ruled the roost, so how is tying him in not relevant?



Oh, I don't know...maybe because the Cayman company was formed TWO YEARS BEFORE he took over?

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Maybe congress should have gone after this loophole instead of internet gaming. And before they awarded KBR billions in no bid $$$$.



Cotracts awarded through "Not competed", 2000-2009
Top 10:
BOEING CO.
LOCKHEED MARTIN CORP
NORTHROP GRUMMAN CORP.
RAYTHEON CO.
GENERAL DYNAMICS CORP.
UNITED TECHNOLOGIES CORP.
UNIVERSITY OF CALIF SYSTEM
BAE SYSTEMS
CALIFORNIA INST OF TECHNOLOGY
GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY

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If Obama was in Cheney's shoes on this matter, you and Fox News would have been in an uproar.



And if Obama was as guilty as you THINK Cheney is, rightly so.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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rushmc    23

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As to your point that both parties are in this and long before Obama? Spot on

Also right on the money about the corp taxes and the effects of such

A fair tax type structure is needed and the IRS eliminated
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I didn't see much outrage over this little payroll tax con game.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/articles/2008/03/06/top_iraq_contractor_skirts_us_taxes_offshore/

Your Republican pals at work.



Nice spin attempt - gotta love the lame attempt to tie it to Cheny, too.

Unfortunately for your argument, it's legal - just like the Indian tribes in the other thread.



I'm not arguing anything. Just pointing out that a company that got billions of US tax dollars ripped off the national piggy bank. Legal, yup. Right, nope.



Yeah, like I said - nice spin. Better grab that neck brace from the BLS bag, you're gonna need it.

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If you want to argue about underfunding programs, start here.



"Here" being your false premise?

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And I'm not sure just how many Democrats or Independent voters sit on the board of Haliburton and KBR. And Dick Cheney ruled the roost, so how is tying him in not relevant?



Oh, I don't know...maybe because the Cayman company was formed TWO YEARS BEFORE he took over?

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Maybe congress should have gone after this loophole instead of internet gaming. And before they awarded KBR billions in no bid $$$$.



Cotracts awarded through "Not competed", 2000-2009
Top 10:
BOEING CO.
LOCKHEED MARTIN CORP
NORTHROP GRUMMAN CORP.
RAYTHEON CO.
GENERAL DYNAMICS CORP.
UNITED TECHNOLOGIES CORP.
UNIVERSITY OF CALIF SYSTEM
BAE SYSTEMS
CALIFORNIA INST OF TECHNOLOGY
GENERAL ELECTRIC COMPANY

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If Obama was in Cheney's shoes on this matter, you and Fox News would have been in an uproar.



And if Obama was as guilty as you THINK Cheney is, rightly so.



Poor wittle Mikeee... still cain't tell the difference from the Military Industrial Complex ... and good ole boy back door stick it to Americans behind their back...isn't there supposed to be some kind of reach around action when that occurs Mikeeee???

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grimmie    186

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So, for the record...
You're cool with KBR loopholing around paying about a half a billion in payroll taxes, to pad their profits and bilk the taxpayers?

And you're cool with keeping the Bush tax cuts in place?

You're cool with the secret backdoor oil deal Haliburton and KBR got for Iraq?

And you think the minimal cut for payroll taxes should be stopped?

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So, for the record...
You're cool with KBR loopholing around paying about a half a billion in payroll taxes, to pad their profits and bilk the taxpayers?



Show the law that obligates foreign companies to pay US payroll tax, thx.

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And you're cool with keeping the Bush tax cuts in place?



Yup.

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You're cool with the secret backdoor oil deal Haliburton and KBR got for Iraq?



OOOooohhh....secret backdoor oil deal? Does it involve nanothermite, too?

Do tell - with a link to the contract, if you please.

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And you think the minimal cut for payroll taxes should be stopped?



You think it's a good idea to *further* underfund Social Security?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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So, for the record...
You're cool with KBR loopholing around paying about a half a billion in payroll taxes, to pad their profits and bilk the taxpayers?

And you're cool with keeping the Bush tax cuts in place?

You're cool with the secret backdoor oil deal Haliburton and KBR got for Iraq?

And you think the minimal cut for payroll taxes should be stopped?



Hey... Mikee is doing pretty good... that is what matters.

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Hey... Mikee is doing pretty good... that is what matters.



Tell us all how much extra you sent in, Jeanne.



Tell us ANYTHING.. about ANY amount you sent in Mikeeee



Every dime I was required to, Jeanne.

So, now you can answer the question.
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Hey... Mikee is doing pretty good... that is what matters.



Tell us all how much extra you sent in, Jeanne.


Tell us ANYTHING.. about ANY amount you sent in Mikeeee


Every dime I was required to, Jeanne.

So, now you can answer the question.


Which was zip.... nada... zilch. Got it.

As soon as you do dahrlin... if you ever could give numbers based in reality.

For someone who has benefitted so greatly from a certain little tax loophole.... it amazes me you can ever complain in the slightest.:S:S:S

Oh.. thats right....nevermind.. I forgot what group of voters you belong to

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Tell us ANYTHING.. about ANY amount you sent in Mikeeee



Every dime I was required to, Jeanne.

So, now you can answer the question.



Which was zip.... nada... zilch. Got it.



Thousands of dollars per year is 'zip...nada...zilch'? Only in Jeannie-world, I guess.

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Oh.. thats right....nevermind.. I forgot what group of voters you belong to



The ones that walk their talk, unlike you?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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Tell us ANYTHING.. about ANY amount you sent in Mikeeee



Every dime I was required to, Jeanne.

So, now you can answer the question.



Which was zip.... nada... zilch. Got it.



Thousands of dollars per year is 'zip...nada...zilch'? Only in Jeannie-world, I guess.

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Oh.. thats right....nevermind.. I forgot what group of voters you belong to



The ones that walk their talk, unlike you?



RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

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Tell us ANYTHING.. about ANY amount you sent in Mikeeee



Every dime I was required to, Jeanne.

So, now you can answer the question.



Which was zip.... nada... zilch. Got it.



Thousands of dollars per year is 'zip...nada...zilch'? Only in Jeannie-world, I guess.

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Oh.. thats right....nevermind.. I forgot what group of voters you belong to



The ones that walk their talk, unlike you?



RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT



Exactly - I don't pay more than I have to.

So, how much extra have you sent in to walk YOUR talk, Jeanne?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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