Christian values about war.

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Well, I think I have to stand by what I said about Christians picking and choosing what parts of the Bible they believe in. For example having been to many Church's of most denominations I have regularly heard women talking in Church even though the New Testament is quite clear on the subject.

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1 Corinthians 14:34-36
Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Indeed many a time Vicars and Priests have allowed women to give readings and of course the Protestant Church has gone as far as ordaining women.

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1 Timothy 2:11-15
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.

And the Church allows women to drop the 'Obey' from their marriage vows.

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1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.

Colossians 3:18
Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord.

And I have met many evangelical Christians who were vegetarians. Do you believe that vegetarianism is evil? (Personally I do and can't get my head around the idea of not fancying a steak but thats another matter)

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1 Timothy 4:1-3
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils ... commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Acts 10:9-13
Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.

And almost all of the Christians I know love their family

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If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. -- Luke 14:26

But somehow those few that cursed their parents as obnoxious teenagers some how made it to adulthood which is strictly not allowed.

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God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. -- Matthew 15:4

And then there are all the Pastorate groups that pray out loud together

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Matthew 6:5-6
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

And so few Christians are heading out to Libya to help Col Gaddafi put down the rebelion even though the New Testament is quite clear on this

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Luke 19:12-27
He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.... But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.... But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

And I know many rich, in fact a few stinking rich Christians

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Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. -- Matthew 19:23-24, Mark 10:23-25
But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:24
Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. -- James 5:1

(I left out Luke 16:19-25 as its a bit long.

So you see I can honestly say that Christians do pick and chose which bits they believe in the Bible.
(Not a judgement call (thats someone elses job) just saying.

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Who takes the stand against evil?

The people who recognize what good is. The ones who call themselves christians do not have a monopoly on good. In fact there are "christians" who are evil. The Westboro Baptist Church bunch leap to mind. Where are the followers of Jesus standing up to them? The Patriot Riders do something but I doubt all of them would call themselves born again.

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Well, I think I have to stand by what I said about Christians picking and choosing what parts of the Bible they believe in.

Wow! A man of conviction...

I stand by what I said about the sky being blue...do I get a cookie!?

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having been to many Church's of most denominations

What an amazing feat...I didn't realize you were such a committed Christian. There are about 38,000 christian denominations...you are also muslim, aren't you...How do you do it?

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Indeed many a time Vicars and Priests

You do realize that the Catholic priesthood is completely antithetical to scripture? It's a hijacking of the the Levitical priesthood. They are false priests on a false altar. There is no need for a sacrafice anymore.

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And the Church allows women to drop the 'Obey' from their marriage vows.

Who cares? Vows should be personal, from the heart...not dictated.

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1 Peter 3:1
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands.

This is why I decided not to give you a semi-exposition on the questions you raise.

You quote a bunch of passages out of context and don't even have the balls to include the full quote because it detracts from the point you're trying to make.

This is how the same thing those christians whom you speak against act...perhaps you should find a real church. A little leaven leavens the whole lump, ya know?

The last time I wasted the time to present a descriptive background to the context, you had nothing to say other than..."thanks for the long and well put together response. I see what you are saying but I think an argument can be made either way." Then you never gave an argument!

Why should I waste my time again? Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice...um...you can't be fooled again...

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I have met many evangelical Christians who were vegetarians. Do you believe that vegetarianism is evil?

No, of course not...don't be ridiculous.
(btw, I know you're just messing around...at least I hope so.)

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1 Timothy 4:1-3
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils ... commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

It's not wrong to not eat meat...it's wrong to force people to not eat meat. (Especially on Fridays)

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And almost all of the Christians I know love their family

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If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. -- Luke 14:26

Please, learn to study scripture. Study Chirst's teachings and you will see that your love for God must come before your family, and why.

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But somehow those few that cursed their parents as obnoxious teenagers some how made it to adulthood which is strictly not allowed.

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God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. -- Matthew 15:4

Do you even have any idea what that chapter is talking about? I'm starting to think you just copied and pasted this stuff from some skeptic website.

You really don't have any clue do you?

It's this type of shit that causes your brethren to crash planes into buildings and christians to burn their brethren at the stake...Really dude, I think you might just be playing around, but if not....you should be ashamed of yourself.

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And then there are all the Pastorate groups that pray out loud together

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Matthew 6:5-6
And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Really dude? You can't see how he's speaking against people who specifically use religion to glorify themselves in the midsts of others?

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And I know many rich, in fact a few stinking rich Christians

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Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. -- Matthew 19:23-24, Mark 10:23-25
But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation. -- Luke 6:24
Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. -- James 5:1

Nothing Wrong with being rich. Money is not evil in and of itself, it's how people preceive it that can make it evil.

The difference between me and you is that I can understand scripture because it is my goal to understand, not to boast in my ignorance my twisting it up to make some stupid point on some useless web forum.

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So you see I can honestly say that Christians do pick and chose which bits they believe in the Bible.

Well then, it's simply amazing that you took the time to display all that ignorance for something that I never disputed.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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I was just yanking your chain (no pun intended) Well that was fun, what next?

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
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The other day I saw a bumper sticker that said "Who would Jesus Bomb?"

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Good question.

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49 I have come to cast fire upon the Earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! 50 But I have a baptism* to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished! 51 Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52 for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three. 53 They will be divided, father* against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. (Luke 12:49-53)

Makes you wonder Wendy...

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca