Rich Republicans...I get..Poor Republicans...I don't

[shah269 0]

I'm not getting something.
I can understand Rich and well to do Republicans.
They are voting in their own best interest and more power to them.
Be it lower corporate taxes to lower regulations on corporations.
All lead to greater return on their investments.

Poor republicans, those who utilize such public institutions such as public schools and public health care.....why are they voting against their best interests?

What am I missing here?

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[mirage62 0]

Most everything.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[rushmc 23]

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I'm not getting something.
I can understand Rich and well to do Republicans.
They are voting in their own best interest and more power to them.
Be it lower corporate taxes to lower regulations on corporations.
All lead to greater return on their investments.

Poor republicans, those who utilize such public institutions such as public schools and public health care.....why are they voting against their best interests?

What am I missing here?

It is called doing what is right

And there are just as many rich Dems in office (if not more) and Republican

And neither of them vote against themselves regardless of what comes out of their mouth

They just exempt themselves

Oh, and Republicans do not vote against the things you post here. But it can be a difference of degree

Throwing more money at public schools has not made the better, just more costly

Those things that need doing is what the Dems fight agains

And the Dems want more money for public sector employees because that is where the majority of public sector campain dollars go

They have a sweet deal they need to keep to stay in office

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DougH 270]

Your going to start more rich versus poor posts after throwing a temper tantrum and storming out of your mortgage post?

You think party affiliation as simple as who can give you the lowest tax rates, or the biggest government check each month?

You can't possibly think that things are that simple, do you?

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[shah269 0]

Yes.
I don't get it. If your kid goes to a public school where there are 40 kids per class...why would one vote for less schools? Or lower paid teachers?

If you have the cash then your kid goes to a nice private school where there are about 25 kids per teacher.

If you get sick and don't have insurance then you receive free or close to free government care. So why would one vote for less government health care?

if you have the cash and a job then well you just whip out your insurance card and life is golden.

I'm just wondering what gives?

I understand why rich Democrats vote the way they do, a well educated work force means more money in their pockets. And the same for healthy workers. So that I can see.

But poor Republicans? I just don’t quite understand? Is it the guns, gays and god thing? If so then OK. That I understand. However the economics of the situation I don't quite get?

Why would someone making well under $100k give a rats ass about corporate tax rates? Let alone support someone who wishes to lower them? Less corporate taxes translates to less funds available for services which these poor Republicans use every day?


It reminds me a little of the book 1985's double speak?

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[DougH 270]

What were you saying about trees and forests in your last post?

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[jclalor 12]

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I'm not getting something.
I can understand Rich and well to do Republicans.
They are voting in their own best interest and more power to them.
Be it lower corporate taxes to lower regulations on corporations.
All lead to greater return on their investments.

Poor republicans, those who utilize such public institutions such as public schools and public health care.....why are they voting against their best interests?

What am I missing here?

One of the best questions ever posed here.


I think poor Republicans are mostly Republicans for their religious views. Some have been led to believe that when they finally become wealthy, The liberals will take it all away from them.

When (if) the Republicans try to do away with MC and SS, you will see a huge exodus from the republicans, the fact is, more Republicans than Democrats will need those programs when (if) they retire.

[DougH 270]

I make under 100K. I don't qualify for any government programs that give me free Obama money. My girlfriends kids go to a public school, but our school is mostly funded with local property tax revenue. It is a great school system, good class sizes, and reasonable spending from the school board.

My effective state income tax rate has shot up drastically this year due to the states out of control budget, which was plugged mostly through tax increases.

I am not religious, and I pretty liberal on social issues.

Why exactly do you think the democrats would be attractive to me just because I am not rich?

What do they have to offer me that the republicans do not?

Personally I think they both suck, but I find it very amusing that you think things are so one dimensional.

"The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall"
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[shah269 0]

Well if it's a simple issue of religion then I can understand it.
The economics however just don't seem to match up from what I have seen.

I've been to the south and I'll tell you per capita, it doesn't look good down there. Per my last visit to Florida, the top 20 high school in that state scored well below the 50% mark in the nation.
But that was easy to understand. 45 students per teacher? How could any student learn that way?

Yet Florida is a very Republican state and the school district I was visiting was very Republican and conservative.
And all I could think of was, "Why are you people not voting in your own best interest?"

Funny thing, I've traveled the world, and it's funny no matter where you go people will vote god above all else. You can offer them free food and free health care if you in any way question their "god" forget about it! They will kill you and burn the food they need to eat to stay alive.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[DougH 270]

Government spending doesn't automatically equal wellbeing.

Tell me how well welfare has been working for people, when we now have multi generational families that are on welfare.

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[weekender 0]

removing religion, which is a no brainer why they would vote for republicans, i have a pretty simple theory.

they work for a private company and would like to keep their job and/or benefits. Right or wrong, they believe the democratic party is bad for private business. Not really voting against their best interest if their best interest is keeping a roof over their head.

My post is about why someone would vote one way. I'm not saying they are right. its a comment on their motivations.

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[shah269 0]

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they work for a private company and would like to keep their job and/or benefits. Right or wrong, they believe the democratic party is bad for private business.

OK cool I see what you mean, verly logical.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Government spending doesn't automatically equal wellbeing.

Tell me how well welfare has been working for people, when we now have multi generational families that are on welfare.

The Safety Net has become a Hammock.

[jclalor 12]

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***they work for a private company and would like to keep their job and/or benefits. Right or wrong, they believe the democratic party is bad for private business.

OK cool I see what you mean, verly logical.

That theory works accept for one problem; the facts. Was your life better under Clinton or Bush? does anyone remember the approval rating for Bush in his last months, the lowest ever of any US president.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I've been to the south and I'll tell you per capita, it doesn't look good down there. Per my last visit to Florida, the top 20 high school in that state scored well below the 50% mark in the nation.
But that was easy to understand. 45 students per teacher? How could any student learn that way?

Heh - I'd love to see either of these assertions make it past a simple fact checker.

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Yet Florida is a very Republican state

I don't need a fact checker on this one - Florida is a toss up state, not a very Republican state (see Texas for that). It was 11 years ago that Bush won by mere hundreds of votes. With Ohio, it is a key state to win the White House.

[shah269 0]

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Heh - I'd love to see either of these assertions make it past a simple fact checker.

I don't kiss and tell, I like my job. What I do means I'm prevy to data you are not privy to.
This was a very nice school with very nice kids but when you have 45 students per 1 teacher how can any student who is having an issue get any help?

I know it's going to drive people nuts but, teachers are good for the economy. They are good for our nation and most of all they are good for our kids.
Yes we all went to school and thus we are all "experts" but that aside the truth is that the lower the number of student's / teacher the better the odds of your kids getting a good education.

Yet I can't help but wonder why it "appears" that the Republican party has picked a fight with teachers and basic social services.

Schools, clean water, clean air, safe roads and safe food....I don't get it? Yes if you have money you can have access to all of this and more! But if god forbid you lose your job or fall on hard times?
(Please don’t go into the BS rant about living off the land)

But if it's a simple issue of simple minds attempting to make sense of complex issues than so be it. I understand that. After all who has the time between life and work and other to sit down and really truly come to terms with out socio economic system.
Perhaps it is the case of the loudest most bombastic voice becoming the accepted voice of reason?

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[jclalor 12]

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I make under 100K. I don't qualify for any government programs that give me free Obama money. My girlfriends kids go to a public school, but our school is mostly funded with local property tax revenue. It is a great school system, good class sizes, and reasonable spending from the school board.

My effective state income tax rate has shot up drastically this year due to the states out of control budget, which was plugged mostly through tax increases.

I am not religious, and I pretty liberal on social issues.

Why exactly do you think the democrats would be attractive to me just because I am not rich?

What do they have to offer me that the republicans do not?

Personally I think they both suck, but I find it very amusing that you think things are so one dimensional.

For starters Medicare, unless you are in the very small percentage of Americans with health care guaranteed in retirement. why would you not want guaranteed healthcare when you are retired? like the rest of the modern world enjoys.

Can you imagine this country without medicare or SS today?

You state you make less than 100 grand a year, where you fall in between 0 and 100,000 is the difference.

I have never said Democrats are perfect, but they are the party that best represent my world view. When the Republican top presidential candidates believe the earth is 6000 years old, for me, it's an issue.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Well if it's a simple issue of religion then I can understand it.
The economics however just don't seem to match up from what I have seen.

Republicans are today's poor codling big-government bed-wetting liberals.

The trillion dollar (over 10 years, just like Obama Care) Medicare part D plan came from the Republicans, sponsored by Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Hastert and signed by President Bush.

Not content with America being second out of the OECD 22 in income tax system progressiveness (we're now first), President bush moved people out of the 15% tax bracket into a new 10% bracket and made married couples' cut-offs for the lowest brakcets double single peoples'. For instance The second lowest quintile saw a 17.6% rate cut compared to barely 11% for the top.

Democrats are today's Dickensian scrooges.

President Clinton made good on his promise to "end welfare as we know it" with his policies reducing the rolls by 63% from 12.2 million in 1996 to 4.5 million over the next decade.

In its first three years Obama's administration nearly matched president Bush's federal prosecutions for felony illegal re-entry over his two terms totaling eight years cruelly giving the boot to hard-working poor who couldn't afford to immigrate legally.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Heh - I'd love to see either of these assertions make it past a simple fact checker.

I don't kiss and tell, I like my job. What I do means I'm prevy to data you are not privy to.

even funnier - 'I HAVE SECRET DATA that confirms my point!!!'

Sorry, Shah, you have a history of playing loose with facts and you're describing a near mathematical impossibility- that every top school in one of the larger states in the union is below average for the country. BTW, school test scores are public records, easily obtained and widely read in the real estate world. So your assertion can easily to be confirmed with actual facts. List those 20 top schools and their results.

Classroom size information is also available. A very cursory look shows that per the DoE, Florida's high schools average 25.x students. One of the worst in the union, but not 45. This is nearly a 100% exaggeration.

[DrewEckhardt 0]

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For starters Medicare, unless you are in the very small percentage of Americans with health care guaranteed in retirement. why would you not want guaranteed healthcare when you are retired? like the rest of the modern world enjoys.

Can you imagine this country without medicare or SS today?

If you want Medicare and Social Security you should be voting Republican.

The Republicans gave us Medicare Part D prescription coverage (costing $1000 Billion over 10 years).

Obama cut $500 Billion in Medicare spending over a decade with his Obama Care and proposed an additional $480 Billion of cuts through 2023.

I don't buy the New Speak suggesting a trillion dollars in Medicare cuts by Democrats are pro-Medicare and trillion dollars in new Medicare programs by Republicans are anti.

Under Republican leadership Social Security tax collections continued to increase so we wouldn't run short.

Obama cut the employee share by 1/3.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Guns.

Although there are exceptions in both directions, the majority of Pro-gun pols are R and the Anti-gun are mostly D.

And gun rights folk are often single issue voters. They may hate the R's stance on a lot of social issues, but vote for them (or against the D's) because of their stance on gun rights.

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[weekender 0]

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***they work for a private company and would like to keep their job and/or benefits. Right or wrong, they believe the democratic party is bad for private business.

OK cool I see what you mean, verly logical.

That theory works accept for one problem; the facts. Was your life better under Clinton or Bush? does anyone remember the approval rating for Bush in his last months, the lowest ever of any US president.

reread my post and explain to me how my theory doesnt work?
i choose my wording to avoid a post like yours. i am giving a theory on what would motivate someone to vote republican. facts have nothing to do with it. they believe democrates are anti business so vote republican. its a very common held belief. right or wrong its their motivation.

facts have nothing to do with it, so please leave them, out. hah

"The point is, I'm weird, but I never felt weird."
John Frusciante

[shah269 0]

I just call them as I see them.

And remember the data you may be looking at may not be all the facts on the ground. A teachers assistant is counted as an instructor. So, let's say you have a class of 44 students and 1 special needs student. And that special needs student has an attendant with him or her in the class.
Guess what....that attendant gets counted as a teacher.

Now the data I have isn't the data you have. And as such I'm not going to be naming names and spilling beans on how some school play the game to make it appear that your kid is getting a top notch education when in reality the school is coming up short.


That aside, back on topic. Neither side seems to have any ones best interests. Especially those in the middle class. However, the Democrats appear to be slightly, and the key words are appear and slightly, more in favor of availability of basic social services and closely watched corporate governance to ensure transparency and level playing field.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[DougH 270]

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For starters Medicare, unless you are in the very small percentage of Americans with health care guaranteed in retirement. why would you not want guaranteed healthcare when you are retired? like the rest of the modern world enjoys.

I am of the belief that I will subsidize the current level of social security benefits and medicare benefits for our current seniors, at an increasingly greater cost.

When I got to get medicare and social security it will be severly limited, and I will not get the same benefits that I helped subsidize decades earlier.

I would like to see means testing for social security and medicare implemented TODAY.

The baby boomers voted in politicians that trashed social security, and failed to implemement cost savings into medicare. Let them share in the pain that they forced us to inherit.

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[dreamdancer 0]

remember lots of poor voters aren't allowed to vote...

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